From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 22 13:51:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7164E37B400 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (user-24-214-34-52.knology.net [24.214.34.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBC443E6A for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MKpolt036486; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:51:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7MKpoQR036485; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:51:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:51:46 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Benjamin Krueger Cc: Josh Paetzel , Kevin Stevens , John Bleichert , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Message-ID: <20020822205146.GA36456@grumpy.dyndns.org> References: <69122C86-B56D-11D6-8C70-003065715DA8@pursued-with.net> <1029964014.226.3.camel@markx.vladsempire.net> <20020822130841.G26883@mail.seattleFenix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020822130841.G26883@mail.seattleFenix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat] On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 01:08:41PM -0700, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > > Apple does not own PowerPC, it belongs to IBM. Is a joint project owned at least in part by Apple, IBM, and Motorola. The CPU is derived from IBM's RS-6000 RISC. The MMU is from Motorola's 88000 RISC. Apple brought the two others together and committed to volume purchases, rendering the project into an economic feasibility. > IBM currently uses it in many of their server offerings. Apple's > current line of PowerPC cpus are an implementation manufactured by > Motorola. Motorola will sell them to folks other than Apple. In fact, > Motorola has an entire line of PowerPC products for embedded and other > systems. Have an Apple G4 sitting right here but not interested enough to verify who manufactured it to remove its heatsink. Was my understanding IBM's big bally-hoo'ed copper chip process was being used and that most if not all G4's were manufactured by IBM. Motorola's embedded PPC CPU family is called "ColdFire". -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message