From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 25 10:41:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01831 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:41:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.net (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01792; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA04051; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:39:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@zone.syracuse.net To: Gary Palmer cc: Paul Richards , "'Philippe Regnauld'" , Chuck Robey , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Threads across processors In-Reply-To: <8887.904055105@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The SPARC port's not dead? -Brian Feldman green@unixhelp.org On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > Paul Richards wrote in message ID > : > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Philippe Regnauld [mailto:regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 11:02 AM > > > To: Paul Richards > > > Cc: 'Gary Palmer'; Chuck Robey; freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG > > > Subject: Re: Threads across processors > > > > > > > > > Paul Richards writes: > > > > Hotmail are apparently dropping FreeBSD in favour of > > > Solaris because of > > > > thread support as well :-( > > > > > > Hotmail is Micro$loth now. If they'd had half a brain, they'd > > > do like Yahoo and sponsor development of the ugly work... > > > > > > > Maybe someone should suggest it to them. It must be costing a fair bit > > to switch to Solaris. They must have some independence from Microsoft to > > be able to go for Solaris, although it is due to the fact that NT fell > > on it's face when faced with the task :-) > > I'll be brutally honest at this point. > > There are probably two reasons to go with UltraSPARCs and Solaris. > > 1) Solaris is heavily threaded, and some of the designs in the kernel are > actually pretty neat. > > 2) The PC hardware platform *BLOWS*. Looking at work at the sort of hardware > we can deploy with a UE250 or UE450 makes every PC I've ever seen pale in > comparison. This is not counting the E4000 series machines we have which, > when combined with Solaris, are pretty nice. e.g. in 2.7, you can hot > remove and insert any board in a E4000, including processor and I/O boards. > And if we have any problems, our support contract will get us a spare part, > and an engineer to install it for us, within 2 hours. > > Now, I still hate solaris. But its pretty difficult to persuade someone to > stay with a PC platform which he has to support himself/herself, when (now) > the company I work for has the money to let them go out and buy UltraSPARC > equipment and push all that responsibility onto SMI. > > So I think that it is important that effort be dedicated to the UltraSPARC > port and also the Alpha port (which I am helping with when I can). Or perhaps > some other comodity hardware that is not as braindamaged as the PC. > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message