From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 21 13:23:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C64937B401; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5C243FA3; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:23:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6LKNEju021233; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:23:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6LKNEsY021232; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:23:14 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20030721202314.GC21068@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030719171138.GA86442@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Things to remove from /rescue X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:23:16 -0000 On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:15:53PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 19-Jul-2003 David O'Brien wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 02:51:47PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > >> > >> On 17-Jul-2003 David O'Brien wrote: > >> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 09:17:00AM -0700, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > >> >> whatever it is, certainly the purpose is not to show how good > >> >> a sysadmin is in using a knife's blade as a screwdriver and a fork > >> >> and a spoon. Heck, even swiss army knives have these extra > >> >> tools. > >> >> > >> >> I think that if something in /rescue can make the task faster > >> >> and less error prone, removing it to save 10-50k of disk space > >> >> would be a big mistake. > >> > > >> > You must not have seen my other email that listed other things than just > >> > disk space. If I did need to get to the Internet to get bits, what does > >> > ipfw do for me that "sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0" doesn't? > >> > >> This doesn't handle ipfilter. You've conveniently ignored that point it > >> seems. > > > > No, I have little ipfilter experience so I didn't speak to it. My > > language explicitly mentioned ipfw so I assumed readers would understand > > I was only addressing ipfw in that email. > > You've listed ipfilter tools such as ipnat, etc. on your list, so you > have "spoken to it". Perhaps you shouldn't blindly remove tools if > you don't know how they work? You seem to have another email in mind than the one you've been replying to. Please answer the question asked: If I did need to get to the Internet to get bits, what does ipfw do for me that "sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0" doesn't? the reader should assume the user is using ipfw and not another packet filter. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org)