From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Mon May 11 19:42:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99E42E9924 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LWXm4rm1z40h7; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@miku.sdf.org [205.166.94.6]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 04BJfvOE013227 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 11 May 2020 19:41:58 GMT Received: (from bennett@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 04BJfvSf021382; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:41:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <202005111941.04BJfvSf021382@sdf.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:41:57 -0500 To: danfe@freebsd.org Subject: Re: releng/11.4 branch, 11.4-BETA1 builds and 11.4-RELEASE schedule reminder Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <20200508001129.GZ9584@FreeBSD.org> <20200511073405.GA47112@FreeBSD.org> <20200511133440.GF29030@FreeBSD.org> <20200511143350.GA72941@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20200511143350.GA72941@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 6/20/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LWXm4rm1z40h7 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:42:00 -0000 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 01:34:40PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 07:34:05AM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > ... > > > I recall Scott Bennett (CC'ed) had mentioned* on -x11 list that there > > > were some "kernel memory management bugs that people began complaining > > > about on the mailing lists within the first few days. Now the project > > > is planning 11.4 without ever having fixed the bugs." Yes, I did. The bugs first caused problems and were noticed right away after 11.2 was released. > > > > > > Just wondering if re@ is aware of that and has a course of action. > > > > This is the first I am personally becoming aware of this. Is there > > a PR? > > I'm not aware of the one, perhaps Scott could provide more details? Yes, I can. Do you want them on this list? Or somewhere else? When I looked for a PR, I couldn't find one either. I had assumed that multiple PRs had been filed for the various problems back when 11.2 came out, but apparently that wasn't done. My system is currently running without xorg due to a GPU crash in gpu-firmware-kmod, combined with an inappropriate response by drm-fbsd11.2-kmod (/boot/modules/radeonkms.ko does a BIOS reset in an attempt to do a hard reboot), so I doubt that I can file a PR. Another poster offered to file PRs for me in the interim, and I sent him a description of the x11 problems, but I didn't hear back from him. I was waiting to send descriptions of the memory management problems until the first two x11 PRs had been filed. > > > It seems the correct team (graphics) is already somewhat in the loop. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ > I actually doubt both of these assessments are true. The fact that I've > seen it mentioned on the -x11@ list does not lead to them, IMHO. > That is correct. They afflict systems running FreeBSD 11.2 to the present of 11. I am now running stable/11 at FreeBSD hellas 11.4-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 11.4-PRERELEASE #24 r360432: Tue Apr 28 18:48:15 CDT 2020 bennett@hellas:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/hellas amd64 and the problems are still present. Everything in 11 from 11.2 on is unsuitable for use on a production system because it has to be rebooted frequently in order to keep it usable. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at sdf.org *xor* bennett at freeshell.org * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **********************************************************************