From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 20 1:11:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2630237B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07040; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:10:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAyVaisn; Mon Nov 20 02:09:08 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA04684; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:10:05 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011200910.CAA04684@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Jordan Hubbard on Darwin To: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:08:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: nbm@mithrandr.moria.org (Neil Blakey-Milner), chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001119182538.043874b0@localhost> from "Brett Glass" at Nov 19, 2000 06:57:33 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >and GNU tar is pretty much standard for a Unix system. > > If GNU tar is a "standard," it is through the negligence of the BSD > world. We must fight this and develop equivalent or superior BSD-licensed > software. If we do not, we are dependent upon an organization which > would like nothing better than to destroy us! (And could, easily, by > changing the next version of the GPL.) A clarification: the BSD "tar" program, and the newer "pax" program, which attempts to unify tar and other archivers under one nearly impossible to use roof, are both available under BSD license. BSD went to the GNU tar because of the "absolute->relative" conversion (by default, it eats leading "/" in an ill-considered attempt to "protect" users) and for its sparse file support. My biggest gripe about it is that it encourages the use of options that will make real tar barf, so scripts written with it in mind are as bad as GNU Makefile's or sh scripts that assume bash features or csh scripts that assume tcsh features: they don't work everywhere, like Ritchie, Kernigan, Pike, Bourne, et. al. intended them to work. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message