From nobody Fri May 22 02:39:47 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4gM8d91Xw1z6fdXm for ; Fri, 22 May 2026 02:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from oneyou.mgm51.net (oneyou.mgm51.net [IPv6:2607:f2f8:af30::100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "oneyou.mgm51.net", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4gM8d73HlGz3XyF for ; Fri, 22 May 2026 02:39:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=mgm51.com header.s=mgm51.com-10 header.b=rBNnKA5+; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mgm51.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of the.lists@mgm51.com designates 2607:f2f8:af30::100 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=the.lists@mgm51.com Received: from sentry.mgm51.net (sentry.mgm51.net [IPv6:2001:558:6017:e3:c493:60c6:f5f4:97a3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange x25519) (Client CN "sentry.mgm51.net", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mgm51.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4gM8d01gLLzHh4X for ; Thu, 21 May 2026 22:39:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mgm51.com; s=mgm51.com-10; t=1779417588; bh=dfU6sJZp3RzRqYev8sAGfwwUeOeSx0k0fl3eMRQ8ucg=; h=Date:From:Subject; b=rBNnKA5+jpMN55CoFAE7UOODA2xPvfsmxd+B8+RucA4+MqfEO4zw9j84GWNhFVWmq ieyWutmnBqn53mNLMIxE0J/yX8GWg9u4D76PwWytesiSqotOzIUy2jbKbDxvxNMhtL IUGs+ia3ayYkGtHiAZt4KKxqCPVihM4ZHu6hqURa24EUCsz0l2M9qvTz8jkdZaGz0V SuBsR6jiXAAwWeHVaWl0/e6Y5ipnCS2ceGJ/6+NTaCOPjsyF4CGatOCEb+fA+NqDj2 fZa5vhbwvjvDFQDenkhmAr+A5L6Jy6HOprU5aM/4rShM5GhHe3ZDy/Rfkzuo0TwQ3l SqrO+r+/Yhk2w== Received: from [10.11.2.100] (bigbloat.24cl.home [10.11.2.100]) by sentry.mgm51.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4gM8cz3DQMz11LkV for ; Thu, 21 May 2026 22:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7313bf50-5a00-4f48-a307-af7d47cc4f58@mgm51.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 22:39:47 -0400 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird From: Mike Subject: Re: Update for 14.3 when it is out of date - not pretty To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <48327133-A375-468B-B1FB-B87F847C9C51@gushi.org> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <48327133-A375-468B-B1FB-B87F847C9C51@gushi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[mgm51.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[mgm51.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f2f8:af30::100:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mgm51.com:s=mgm51.com-10]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:2607:f2f8::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mgm51.com:+] X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4gM8d73HlGz3XyF On 5/21/2026 9:58 PM, Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote: > You mean this warning? > > ``` > Completing this upgrade requires removing old shared object files. > Please rebuild all installed 3rd party software (e.g., programs > installed from the ports tree) and then run > '`basename $0` [options] install' again to finish installing updates. > ``` > > This is sort of a bad warning because most people aren't using ports > these days, and what it really wants you to do is: > > pkg upgrade Yeah, I agree. I'd nominate it for one of the worst warning messages thrown at a user during an OS upgrade. But that is just me. > > It shouldn't say "rebuild".  It's a bug, and I'd complain, if freebsd- > update's days weren't Very Numbered. While I tried not to complain, I did want to note the issue. > > What's going on: > > Most often, binary upgrades are still compatible with the old releases, > so (for example) sshd will start in a space where you have a 14.4 kernel > and a 14.3 userland, but at some point, programs in /usr/local/bin that > were built and compiled for things in /lib and /usr/lib (etc) have old > version numbers, so on the next reboot, those things won't work.  The > update process leaves the "vestigial" shared libraries in place so > things don't crash, until the third "freebsd-update install" at which > point it rm's everything that would have been i n $oldversion but not > $currentversion. > > Hope this helps, It did help. Many thanks. And, fwiw, I am [slowly] moving my FreeBSD servers over to use the new package update facility. I do have to mention that major issues. such as this update that caused me to re-install my server. give me a concern about a leap into a pkg-based system update. But that is the future. Thanks again for your reply.