From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 20:20:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012B016A4CF; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA55343D2D; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:20:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1H4JeDL085259; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:19:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)i1H4JeSA085256; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:19:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" In-Reply-To: <20040217020034.GZ33797@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org cc: Baldur Gislason Subject: Re: Vinum, concatenated volumes and dead drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 04:20:11 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I've never tried it, but I suspect that fsck would have a hard time > recreating the file system if any sizeable chunk is missing. In > general, I'd expect that you lose your file system under these > circumstances. I've run into a number of situations where fsck is unable to recover from catastrophic loss, such as wholesale stamping of zero's over the alternative superblock and meta-data. Under those circumstances, newfs is a lot easier to use than fsck. Our kernel implementation makes fairly strong assumptions about the correctness of on-disk contents, and is not resilient to some of the nastier failure modes associated with zeroing (losing) large chunks of meta-data, and I've also found fsdb doesn't like them much either (especially when you have a broken first alternate superblock). Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Senior Research Scientist, McAfee Research