From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 29 11:03:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9C3106567C; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFAC8FC1B; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4TB3OXa010330; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:03:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4TB154l010302; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <744a9119476160472a319bbc9f4fd799.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <065001c9def1$54ae3f40$fe0abdc0$@za.org> <20090527124014.6998139c@gom> <20090527203000.GA1328@fusion.opticnetworks.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDCC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF89C.9040505@isafeelin.org> <87prdsr5ep.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> <87r5y8cprs.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87bppci91h.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:34 -0000 > > Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it > is open. Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially-- > only serve as a source of mild confusion. Imagine you are a new FreeBSD > user. Try to imagine it now. i see the webpage, the mailing lists, and ftp with installs and documentation. webpage - clear, understandable, read and understood documentation - simply excellent, nothing else to say. unmoderated mailing lists - total off-topic mess, is it really FreeBSD support? or maybe it's a chat. moderated mailing list - not very much here, but at least about FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD. Of course after reading documentation and trying to learn myself. Lets compare it to many other people with "different" and more common expectations. What he/she thinks: webpage - quite not trendy, so little graphics, anyway clear i go forward documentation - what it is? some technical info for programmers i think. but why they put it here? OK lets skip this. ftp with install - OK finally something ! and he/she booted the CD/DVD and by just clicking OK installed FreeBSD by accident. And then don't know what's up. So he/she needs help and see: moderated mailing list - hmm.. looks somehow too technical, i don't understand anything. unmoderated mailing lists - EXCELLENT, they even tell my how to install KDE! Then he/she installs KDE, is proud about having such "professional unix system" on his/her computer. After few months and lots of questions on mailing list he/she still doesn't understand at all what's happening on the computer. Proudness already faded and he/she installs windows back. In windows he/she too - don't understand what's going on, but at least it's clear way how to install programs (just click), and he/she THINKS she understand something. At the end - ALL ARE HAPPY.