From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 12 16:17:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DC41F92 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64B7F2F14 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.43]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E5622042 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:16:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.net; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mesmtp; bh=3ZuaNDvyhoHom28cG8zgRbMuGh8=; b=GxH9+K3oAHvYy6OvGLZDKsseqtJ7 0Eex1WukYyd/bsbxVoIhlINgvfCkEO7crG3jZwQI1Vjw16/LuetysX1FDX+HDsVB lIz25SQBw6H3U7Zy5GMTJSvEfEgh2UDCD4UrV2aOEYomV4Jz3Bdy+oO53xwFUA/p UKu5d2vxLEfF4bo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=3ZuaNDvyhoHom28cG8zgRb MuGh8=; b=jSzLRJdAmZrCfW0OZXhmjY+EnWh/asfvU+nHi4+GCTScZJVyWGoNQn aL0YwTAJYLGDIUbcdUMe0bITVo0D+EmYS/OaHo/oLwy2WkLMKGcV4ljqcQgdilvu 33yJ44U6ikK6rlfwxZfZwnru0JJcHABur291aU/jn2b1ubpHNBL6s= X-Sasl-enc: EddZnoPdGNhtLb8/KLgs/OaHvF3Uk3WeVdkqmsA02nM/ 1405181812 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (unknown [31.53.7.191]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 336E7C00003; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53C15F73.6000303@fastmail.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:16:51 +0100 From: Bruce Simpson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Lepore , Alexey Dokuchaev Subject: Re: svn commit: r268566 - head/usr.bin/users References: <201407120747.s6C7lpYE020200@svn.freebsd.org> <20140712195452.N3279@besplex.bde.org> <53C12C1D.8080101@fastmail.net> <20140712132705.GA45964@FreeBSD.org> <1405179083.91430.14.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> In-Reply-To: <1405179083.91430.14.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, David Chisnall , Bruce Evans X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:17:03 -0000 On 12/07/2014 16:31, Ian Lepore wrote: > It is in no way established that any kind of "mess" exists. On the contrary, the metrics and analysis which bde@ has presented seem pretty clear to me. > All we have > is some people who appear to hate C++ expressing their opinions about > how they hate C++. All the whining about how many more bytes the > compiled code is or many milliseconds something takes to compile don't > add up to any actual problem. Other developers may quite reasonably look out for code quality and preservation of non-functional requirements across the board. I am bemused that you characterize this as "whining", thus taking a technical discussion into "ad hominem" territory. > > My opinion is that the original commit message was exactly correct: The > code was rewritten to be cleaner and easier to understand and maintain. > We need more of the same. Metadata is not the same thing as content -- the commit message can be as erudite as one likes, but at the end of the day, if the change is of dubious value, people will call you on it. Bruce