From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Nov 14 20:04:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95ED6A2FDB4; Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gold.funkthat.com", Issuer "gold.funkthat.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 514B6115E; Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.funkthat.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tAEK4puu065003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Nov 2015 12:04:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by gold.funkthat.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id tAEK4o7U065002; Sat, 14 Nov 2015 12:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 12:04:50 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Mark Linimon Cc: Elizabeth Myers , Anna Wilcox , freebsd-arch , Marius Strobl , Sean Bruno , Jordan Hubbard , "sparc64@freebsd.org" , Warner Losh Subject: Re: Sparc64 doesn't care about you, and you shouldn't care about Sparc64 Message-ID: <20151114200450.GH65715@funkthat.com> References: <563A5893.1030607@freebsd.org> <2AAC0EF3-528B-476F-BA9C-CDC3004465D0@bsdimp.com> <20151108155501.GA1901@alchemy.franken.de> <563F8385.3090603@freebsd.org> <56417100.5050600@Wilcox-Tech.com> <39947478-4710-47D8-BAB1-FC93979570B6@mail.turbofuzz.com> <5646D19C.9010304@interlinked.me> <20151114175433.GA19271@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151114175433.GA19271@lonesome.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 54BA 873B 6515 3F10 9E88 9322 9CB1 8F74 6D3F A396 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (gold.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 14 Nov 2015 12:04:51 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:04:54 -0000 Mark Linimon wrote this message on Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 11:54 -0600: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 12:15:56AM -0600, Elizabeth Myers wrote: > > If that constitutes "project resources," then I suppose you are > > instructing people, "go spend your time doing something more productive?" > > In the principle of fairness, let me play devil's advocate for a moment. > > - it does take some time for re@ to release and test sparc64 images. > > - having sparc64 in 'make universe' does require developers to spend > more time regression-testing their (non-sparc64) changes. Considering the number of breakages that happen that would have been caught by make universe, it is clear that few developers run this target, so not really a valid argument... Also, we have universe11{a,b} in the cluster to help cut down the time.. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."