From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 3 19:36:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 404BA708 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2014 19:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E61AD65F for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2014 19:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s33JaGhH083746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Apr 2014 13:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) with ESMTP id s33JaGYj083743; Thu, 3 Apr 2014 13:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 13:36:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Royce Williams Subject: Re: Web browsing usage from base In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <13492F6B-C667-4569-87D2-3F808AE7356D@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Hackers X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 19:36:25 -0000 On Thu, 3 Apr 2014, Royce Williams wrote: > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Warren Block wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 Apr 2014, Eitan Adler wrote: >> >> On 2 April 2014 09:02, Brian Kim wrote: >>> >>>> Would anyone like to share their best approach to browsing the web only >>>> using utilities from a base install? >>>> >>> >>> $pkg install firefox >>> $firefox >>> >>> seems to work (provided X is running). >>> >> >> fetch(1) was already mentioned. telnet(1) or nc(1) would allow >> interactive use, admittedly not conveniently (level: neckbeard). I can >> imagine a (terrible) text browser hacked together with fetch, sh, dialog, >> and grep/sed/awk to parse out links. But even full text browsers like >> lynx, links, and w3m are often useless due to the modern web's dependence >> on images, Javascript, and such. >> >> Incidentally, the issue of the base OS not having a text web browser has >> come up several times lately. I don't know if there's one suitable for >> import, but it's something to consider. Writing one using only the tools >> from base would be an interesting/horrifying experiment. >> > > It would also be useful to hear more about the use cases that are causing > this spike in interest. The most recent ones were about reading HTML documentation. The earlier ones... I want to say it involved the installer, but can't recall.