From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 4 07:37:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40089A127B for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2019 07:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic309-26.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic309-26.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 461XmD3hYvz4F8N for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2019 07:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: vcHLl3cVM1l_XoU4Le5wcHN2JqU7WkXXxUPPWElUQvN2YGO55wdJfdf6t9SRIog AnmEixEwYEeuG4HD9k3Tk590WRy40HDMtL7thYxOH9a0XTr5TxQh1EVBwnzkSO81J1CvcPx0lx_g 0inDv95pWXOILtlFjBWtFEu9TZ4GKK9xGt2xlQRHiin5aKvQhYyq5.ofuT84ZAKEbx_VIgLUhjUj 2n1XQJDdK7ZQMBX.0KYQW6WWiXcEcNTydRXcF3I2ZKw90YEKo8OXIjqHsC0VMeXL1WdPYN9VX2tv er43NNYK01jtRuNUeWt0A9qfSzYW5bFE0KddtLf1WP4soC3mLXDhHLowCW9g9EasN475tFXyVvl4 gm9uTzs.xCZQwjeLz.ZKoKwVkXWyNGVh0FEAK0RoFuzBjzCWklDinepRdiZvYWj5pS_bJ8v4NpkX GDw6jrbeKMGMZ_mUxUU8aLZIu6BQgiw23ro9yY7eNIkwcnphGskQHxuwDrfi.ZQ17QUTfEzNdx.7 dxMQeZi2Mzoj2_1.0X2Gg7T82zlsOqXNqiWHSKNsfX5U2_BmvSd4g8zABCsgR67yIIAdwzMOkRXE wqNz..N3RRqC7uprICKlGDAndQ..FAbQ7yLh4j72g69cteAyJyK0glM1hgMO9q6RYjqw49MsDycN GxhQ7QfJV6n_lXeJV7OfF.i08_0Ba8EH6rft4oZEbJ0wjvtlWQj_rC8yvW_c1fkNW51yXp5_w7j9 LGHocUWt4XzPJlXD2T7mvZoFcbIpKT7ceYQ_rwXy9Q_fomRZyAHAPeLsW4HIZUY9R3WbzLevScY4 KXW3fUb4ITv52c.xeB7GzbyE6Xa_KLwoNa59MmDA0IVw9MrjxjsGlP8Bz0C7ikjvSQBCfBCt5VhH c9to7nsF3asUknqEvMCuCx_CC2w_a2UJPCEOJ2xeow5QjDD6aX5gIJPr40ENMvvWZJEFrTTAKVBm 66bWONvKSSOtspY_gv5NFjBerEG4TnpB0iB9oxNqUAomrs_zijvwE5UwjvRKGVN05SBgHYhdcgHR .3smIFKh9n1vbgLj_2MeMJH9j.7Ufrsxzs8nZb9z3nXiDOpUitTPe4HQ_T8UpZ1neOYaLrVzQnD6 QczpfeTs1nKe5Q0pBhfLXRJtZUPyrG4K.G7vmoRLYu4mNlo0TFOwcdCjHGuc6NAOFNyCPpm6Ebem v4VgX1CNqc8ZydpPCSa5I0oKVB38AMYg8dJFCK2Oc0.1R2FJV9Jij8LCQ_BIedSJR09nSaeoCwfU ARZapAQgzktyf6jG.Wag6vj0- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 4 Aug 2019 07:37:13 +0000 Received: by smtp422.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 9bd800acbf6ae406bab2db7306e5f92c; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 09:37:10 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thunderbird in German? Message-ID: <20190804093710.66948e68@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <87lfw9bxeb.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91bw4mx.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190731012754.3783a859.freebsd@edvax.de> <878ssc5v3x.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802060356.eebda021.freebsd@edvax.de> <87tvaz8gkn.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802213025.884985d57dbfd7bf20ae4cd5@sohara.org> <87lfw9bxeb.fsf@toy.adminart.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 461XmD3hYvz4F8N X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.52 / 15.00]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[rocketmail.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (2.89), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.24), asn: 34010(1.77), country: GB(-0.08)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.996,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; URIBL_PBL(0.01)[kernelshark.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[84.179.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:37:18 -0000 On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 02:13:32 +0200, hw wrote: >Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: >> On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:20:40 +0200 hw wrote: >> >>> I'll still try Sylpheed ... It's been around for a while now, and >>> I'm curious. >> >> I've been happy with it for many years now. > >Well, it seemed pretty good, and I intend to use it instead of >Thunderbird or seamonkey. I'm not sure if it would be wise to make the >users switch over as well, though. But then, it might just be wise >because sylpheed might cause less trouble in the long run. Hi, that's a naive miscalculation. I dislike Mozilla projects for several reasons, but what makes you think that Sylpheed might cause less trouble in the long run? It might not cause trouble on FreeBSD yet, but it will in the short run, since on Linux it already does, as all GTK apps and especially GTK2 apps do. On Linux GTK2 apps tend to suffer from a mysterious "!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost" bug, that makes those apps crash constantly. Ubuntu 16.04, a very old long term support release doesn't suffer from it, but more recent releases of release model distros do and rolling releases such as Arch Linux do, too. Some projects have got a GTK2 and GTK3 port and you get rid of this issue, when compiling against GTK3. I don't know if Sylpheed has got a GTK3 port, but Claws has got, unfortunately it's "experimental", IOW broken in many ways. You also might have noticed that some Linux projects migrated from GTK to Qt. Btw. way closer to Thunderbird features is Evolution. Claws and Sylpheed are lightweight, but might miss features one or the other user might need. Evolution suffers from an icu issue, it doesn't work correctly anymore, as soon as compiled against icu 64 instead of icu < 64. If the only issue with Thunderbird should be translations, I strongly recommend to stay with Thunderbird. FWIW I'm using $ locale LANG=en_US.utf8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.utf8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.utf8" LC_TIME="en_US.utf8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.utf8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.utf8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.utf8" LC_PAPER="en_US.utf8" LC_NAME="en_US.utf8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.utf8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.utf8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.utf8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.utf8" LC_ALL= but I'm doing parallel usage of Englisch and German dictionaries for spell checking ant it's a PITA and only works properly by staying with a very old English dictionary, with newer dictionaries you get a lot of false positives regarding case sensitivity. Actually I migrated from Mozilla MUAs to Evolution years ago. I tested Kmail, but experienced way to many issues. After a while I installed Claws and Sylpheed, too, because I want to share POP accounts between old LTS releases and a rolling release. Due to Evolutions dependency chain against GNOME, it's impossible to maintain identical versions of Evolution for distros of "different ages", while it's easy to do for Claws. GTK2 issues: https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4203#c10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/1808710 icu 64 issue: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/62317 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2019-August/msg00032.html Some of the projects that migrated from GTK to Qt: http://www.kernelshark.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE#Qt_port Regards, Ralf