From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Nov 25 19:33:13 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7FEDEE282; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:33:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 236706B67B; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([96.50.22.10]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id IfxjeNTgVRDG7IfxkeK48I; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 12:18:05 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=b+PC2pOx c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:117 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=sC3jslCIGhcA:10 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=NRF7K_vUAAAA:8 a=nRw0MP0jAAAA:8 a=Qv2LTWs3tmBQeHP3dDIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=-TUkS2ffhQBfG7ohTqvO:22 a=TqOS20DUQF7LHOIXzZmQ:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CB59538; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vAPJI2nJ072757; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:18:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id vAPJI2IB072754; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:18:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201711251918.vAPJI2IB072754@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Adrian Chadd cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) In-Reply-To: Message from Adrian Chadd of "Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:19:40 -0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:18:02 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfHXNOmwV2uKNGkrKEO5JDkHoFR2mzLEmkornFSZ7DsVfJlcPCgoQQwchdqapnM9p0HA9T/gVGqV7X/T8PPpKV1ncDTllsMH3fO7KlIHasNULuJbppXdB FClvpdROAPwWUXMxRfoyAlXdqfOfguEWtUlj86LG1sX3bo/HIeKz9pezkKDTFlGXRbHjCTHhr25SeOqRNZEx1sJs8Xl42gx04BRc/6Y854zXI+SoVo2nTb3N c24tvNPK3Vw5XzH90wJi2iDB0z+hmlYxFtAkPsgj1JtfnStsC+Ae+zUm85WfP183 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:33:13 -0000 In message , Adrian Chadd writes: > hi, > > Pardon me, but it's 2017 and the 4.3BSD system index isn't an immutable bible > . > > As a general push to packaging things in general, turning fortune into > a package seems like some low hanging fruit. > > > > -adrian I see no reason why fortune(6) cannot be a port. Much of /usr/games (IIRC that's where it was) has been gutted anyway and not only that but other more functional parts of 4.4BSD have been culled and are simply gone. I think the way forward is: 1. Make fortune a port. 2. Whatever was in games and is in ports could be installed through a bsd-games meta-port. People should realize that ports are just as valid as base. Not everything should be in base. This will become truer once base is fully distributed as packages. A monolithic base is so 1960s. Even the IBM mainframe I worked on in the 1970s used packages (IBM called them FMIDs). Let's get on with the 1970s and move it to ports/packages. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. > > > On 24 November 2017 at 08:47, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > fortune(6) is listed in ring bound 4.3BSD System Index. > > Butchering on personal whim without prior agreement seems abuse. > > BSD should be [temporarily] reverted & the commit bit suspended, > > pending commiters' peer review of an un-authorised deletion. > > Then decide what what to do with fortune. > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > -- > > Julian H. Stacey, Computer Consultant, BSD Linux Unix Systems Engineer, Mun > ich > > Reply below, Prefix '> '. 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