From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 14:00:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090D61065670 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skip@menantico.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA318FC0C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skip@menantico.com) Received: from mx.menantico.com ([71.168.243.250]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBN0079MYWV0UE1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:00:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:06:36 -0500 From: Skip Ford In-reply-to: <1228911052.57305.15.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> To: Ken Smith Message-id: <20081210140636.GA31418@menantico.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline References: <1228753517.56532.25.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <55FAF790-6169-42BE-9285-1217C3284CDB@dragondata.com> <1228911052.57305.15.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-stable , Kevin Day Subject: Re: visibility of release process X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:00:53 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > With the 7.0 release I tried giving just the URL > of the primary site (ftp.freebsd.org) but that proved people don't just > want easy - they're lazy. For the most part they just clicked on that > and didn't look around for a mirror. Hence your observation about the > difference in bandwidth when you're listed versus when you're not > listed. Any idea if most of those ISO downloaders are really installing a fresh system or are just updating from a previous release by reinstalling? It seems to me many more people could be using freebsd-update(8) so the announcement really could focus on upgrades rather than fresh installs. I obviously like FreeBSD myself, but how many new users who need to download ISOs really come on board with each new release? The freebsd-update(8) portion of "Updating existing systems" could be the main focus of the announcement, and the "Availability" section and "updating existing systems from source" sections could just contain a link pointing to the web site since (I believe) the number of users needing those should be limited. No FTP listing in the announcement at all. I guess freebsd-update(8) currently has some limitations that make it not so cut-and-dry. But I'm a little confused anyway at this point as to what the long-term plans are. There's a CVS repo, SVN repo which appears to be the way things will be, a "projects" svn repo, a "projects" p4 repo, cvs(1) in base, csup(1) in base which is still being worked on even though there appears to be a slow migration to svn, svn(1) is in ports, there's no SVN repo for the ports tree but there is for src, freebsd-update(8) exists for binary upgrades which seems to be the way of the future for a huge majority of end-users, and yet the official mirrors are missing both the SVN src repo and binary update files. It seems to me the mirrors and release announcement are behind the times by pointing to source upgrades and ISO downloads, or maybe I'm just a little too early. I hope core has a plan for all of this. :) -- Skip