From owner-freebsd-security Wed Aug 28 5:15:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DEE37B400 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antalya.lupe-christoph.de (pD9E883D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.232.131.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E326143E6A for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lupe@lupe-christoph.de) Received: by antalya.lupe-christoph.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CC2D05E9; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:15:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:15:06 +0200 To: Mark Murray Cc: Y S , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPsec tunnel between XP and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20020828121506.GQ26115@lupe-christoph.de> References: <20020827210346.24979.qmail@web12905.mail.yahoo.com> <200208272120.g7RLKdl5024447@grimreaper.grondar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200208272120.g7RLKdl5024447@grimreaper.grondar.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: lupe@lupe-christoph.de (Lupe Christoph) Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 2002-08-27 at 22:20:39 +0100, Mark Murray wrote: > > Thanks for your comment. The reasons I post this thread here are > > 1. I think inter-operability between freebsd and other OS is also a > > big issue of security. > General interoperability, while important, is not security-critical. Seconded. But he is asking about interoperability of security software. > > 3. I've seen some similar discussion within this mailing list. (I > > know this is not a good reason though :)) > Bad reason :-). This does not mean you are not welcome. Once the > general system administration questions are worked out, and you have > some specific security issues, please post them here. I thought the discussion about what is off-topic and what to do with that has not been closed. While some people argue that this is a list for security problems, there is definite need for a list that answers questions related to security, software, sysadmin, etc. -questions is not that list. > > I will cc the question to question list too. Thanks again, > > Sunny > Good move. Stoopid(tm) move. He will most probably hnot get an answer. People wake up to it. Just sending people with valid problems off-list will not make this list better or even more important, help those people. Do you really care more about this list being on-topic (however you define that) than systems having better security? The fact that there is no alternative to this list when it comes to security-related questions will *always* attract people to this list. Now, unless you get some joy from bashing people for being off-topic, you will have no joy at all. So let's do something about it. Either accept questions like this. Or create a list like debian-security where the focus is helping people to make there system more secure. Lupe Christoph -- | lupe@lupe-christoph.de | http://www.lupe-christoph.de/ | | Big Misunderstandings #6398: The Titanic was not supposed to be | | unsinkable. The designer had a speech impediment. He said: "I have | | thith great unthinkable conthept ..." | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message