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Date:      Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:19:41 -0500
From:      "Daniel M. Eischen" <eischen@vigrid.com>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@whistle.com>
Cc:        freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Revisitted.. Threads goals.?
Message-ID:  <3843C0DD.DD80682D@vigrid.com>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911292207120.7902-100000@current1.whistle.com>

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Julian Elischer wrote:
> 
> Peter made a valid point which is that maybe we should figure out
> a waypoint between here and there, that gives us a working but
> sub-optimal threads package of the order of the linux threads package,
> that can be included in 4.0
> 
> We may have 2 whole months to get that done :-(

Isn't Feature Freeze December 15th?  That's only 2 weeks.

> Also, Matt Dillon has been arguing strongly that point 8 (kernel)
> and point 3(user) are non goals, in fact he wants the opposite.
> He also argues that making an entity that groups KSE's on a scale smaller
> than the entire process is a bad idea. I disagree but we haven't
> decided anyting yet. He claims 'simplicity. I think that he may be sliding
> back up teh other side of th ecurve by trying to simplify more than the
> goals (many of which we are inherritting from Posix via the 3rd meta-goal)
> allow.
> 
> how would we move towards Peter's hope? and are there things we can do
> that there is no argument about?  I think that separating the proc
> structure is agreed, but it is not needed for Linux threads..

I see you just committed a LinuxThreads port.  Shouldn't that be
sufficient until 4.1 comes out with some version of our native
threads?

Dan Eischen
eischen@vigrid.com




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