From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 11 20:22:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDC01F3EDF for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:22:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47wB9D0Q1Cz4Sjs for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 00BKL30L026351 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 14:21:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: Basic photo viewing/editing for Xfce? 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.51)[-0.506,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.33)[-0.334,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; IP_SCORE(0.50)[ip: (-3.38), ipnet: 45.55.32.0/19(4.27), asn: 14061(1.66), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:22:25 -0000 On 1/11/20 1:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 14:11:38 -0500, Jerry wrote: >> The question you have to ask yourself is which is more >> important to you, cost or usability? > Unfortunately there is a third question. > > Are we willing to stand a restricted proprietary policy? I have been a serious photographer for over 4 decades. I still shoot mostly film and process it myself in a wet darkroom. When I do shoot digital images, I use a pro-level Nikon D FX series camera. I find GIMP (and Darktable) not restrictive in any meaningful way. These tools far exceed my photo manipulation requirements. The ONLY reason to use Photoshop is that it is the default go-to for professional studios and production houses. That's where the pro ecosystem was built and remains. This doesn't make it better, it's just the standard among pros. There are limitations to GIMP. If you're shooting with a 16bit/color, 100Mpix back on a $50,000 digital camera, yeah, GIMP will be limiting. But for the 99.9999% of people who are manipulating far lower end imagery, GIMP is just fine. But in this case, you're likely working on a Mac, not reading freebsd-questions :) In any case, the effort very few people bother with that makes way more of a difference than photo editor: Calibrating their monitor and printer (if they print their own stuff). Color space matching is crucial if you want to get a final result that looks like what you see on screen. P.S. I would also note that most people vastly over manipulate their images. I have seen more garish dreck produced with excessive HDR and color saturation adjustment than the most stoned filthy hippie painter in the 1960s could have imagined ... P.P.S. A few examples of my work - some with fairly low rent equipment. All of the digital stuff and scans of the silver prinnts edited with GIMP on an unremarkable Linux desktop: Digital: https://www.tundraware.com/Photography/MyPhotographs/DigiPix/ Analog: https://www.tundraware.com/Photography/MyPhotographs/Silver/ -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/