From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 3 14:11:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67BE15354 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA00202; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:11:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:11:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199906032111.OAA00202@apollo.backplane.com> To: Amancio Hasty Cc: "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, schimken@cs.rpi.edu Subject: Re: 3.2-stable, panic #12 References: <199906031735.NAA37037@cs.rpi.edu> <199906031938.MAA99463@apollo.backplane.com> <3756DD11.3F943D5F@mindspring.com> <199906031955.MAA99584@apollo.backplane.com> <3756E0FA.67F0D88F@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :.. :behavior problem with Linux : I do an ftp download in a linux box and :periodically I see a slight pause -- VA research snap back saying that :the problem was due to the VM / Scheduler and that they couldn't :fix it because Linus held tight control over that section of the kernel. : :I would like to know who took your commit priviliges away. : :Amancio The commit privs were pulled after a roe with a core member blew up into an electronic fist fight. It just got too much for me and I blew my top at the guy. It could be argued that it was appropriate at the time, though I personally would have pulled *both* people's commit privs, not just mine, and then only for a little while. Frankly, the whole problem could have been avoided if certain issues had been dealt with by core years ago rather then left to fester. As with any tightly nit group, people get used to the worst of each other's quirks and become hide bound in their opinions and preconceptions of (supposed) outsiders. I think it is a problem that occurs with any tightly nit group, not just the FreeBSD core. The same could be said for the Linux core group, the NetBSD core group, and commercial core groups. It's actually a worse problem in the commercial arena because people are being paid and worry about getting supplanted. ( Ultimately, this is why proper management matters so much with a commercial enterprise. Whenever you hear of companies buying software to monitor their own employee's computer use, you know those companies have screwed up management ). -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message