From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 16 20:04:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1BD1065672 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333848FC0C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id frAE1a0050lTkoCA9vuj5g; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:43 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([76.28.182.91]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fvuh1a00C1yjRxY8QvuibA; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:43 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zbbtOhnQul0EZ_Rr6TgA:9 a=GWBxtWQGRrmR-KwDwAq7mAPyTbQA:4 a=YvKx7zeTAGcA:10 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:54:41 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:54:41 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116195441.GC7878@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <491D59D3.8080809@spansurf.com> <1226700024.22782.30.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20081114223200.GA4293@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20081114163902.17qwm4xct4bkg4o0w@intranet.casasponti.net> <1226812887.8307.16.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1226812887.8307.16.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.x/OS X 10.5.x X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: re changing from vista X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:04:47 -0000 * Da Rock [2008-11-16 15:21:27 +1000]: > >The reason for sending the OP to linux first is they will not be >deterred by the driver and hardware issues. Linux IS easier in this way, >and has a greater support for hardware that is used outside of a server >environment. It also allows them to learn the *nix methodology and >software. To the extent that Linux succeeds in making things "just work", it will prevent or at least delay the user's learning the Unix way. Most of us got our Unix knowledge the old-fashioned way: we earned it. We stumbled over one problem or another and fought our way through to a solution. When things "just work", only the technically curious will explore beneath the hood to see exactly how they work. Maybe we shouldn't make it a goal that every user should have that kind of deep-water knowledge? Should it really be a goal that every user become familiar with the shell and commandline tools? Why not let them live happily ever after in a point-and-click world? -- Charlie