From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 2 23:42:45 2001 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 23:42:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9286B37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14DiZF-000L7o-00; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 07:42:41 +0000 To: Greg Skafte , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Cliff Sarginson Subject: Re: vinum malfunction! Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:42:41 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@btvs.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 192.250.24.58 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In the past when I've had vinum problems, if I followed Greg's > instructions, he has been very helpful. As he has stated numerous > times he _needs_ the information he's asked for in the format he > asked for, or he won't be able to help. > > I've yet to have vinum cause data loss, but I'm not running raid 5 > either, just mirroring. If I've needed raid 5 or raid 50 then I've > needed the whole machine to be raid 5/50 including the root/boot > partition. > > As has been pointed out, this is young, and experimental software > not nearly the milage that veritas has, or hp's lvm, or the aix > equivalent. Its maintained on a volunteer pro-bono basis. > > Also, any opensource or even closed source solution need to be > tested and verified for their suitability. Software Raid works > well if you've tested it in your enviorment, Suns disk suite > comes to mind on my sparcs, I've had hardware raid cards fail > and eat everything also. > > In a _mission_ critical enviroment you need to have a recovery > plan. Not only that you should also do what manufacturers rather quaintly call "a proof of concept" before sailing the boat out onto the high seas. > Not having one is poor practice. Not have proper backs > is even poorer practice. Free software does not imply no cost. > If the expertise aren't availible to support this free stuff then > there is going to be a substantial cost in lost productivity and > lost data. > Without going into the wrongs and rights of this seemingly endless debate just give the software author/maintainer the information he asks for in the format he wants it. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If his instructions are not clear then ask for clarification. Cliff > > I now return you to your regularily scheduled noise..... > > > -- > Email: skafte@trollkarl.net ICQ: 93234105 > #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 > -- -- > When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a > whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the > simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. > (Janet Morris) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message