From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 17 11:19:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A0637B405; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from colt.ncptiddische.net (ppp-309.wobline.de [212.68.71.30]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/tw-20010821) with ESMTP id fBHJIo719651; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:18:53 +0100 Received: from tisys.org (jodie.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.2]) by colt.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBHJJVX18161; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:19:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: (from nils@localhost) by tisys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBHJICZ48197; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:18:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:18:06 +0100 From: Nils Holland To: Brett Glass Cc: Greg Lehey , Terry Lambert , "Gary W. Swearingen" , hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org, "Brandon D. Valentine" , Hiten Pandya , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: IBM's intentions with JFS (was: IBM suing (was: RMS Suing was [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD)) Message-ID: <20011217201806.A48114@tisys.org> References: <3C1875D6.5DE4F996@mindspring.com> <3C186381.6AB07090@yahoo.com> <20011214122837.O3448@monorchid.lemis.com> <3C19807D.C441F084@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011214175450.02da2a90@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20011215232233.00e74cc0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20011216221810.031b6820@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20011217001345.00e26280@localhost> <20011217185738.N14500@monorchid.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011217092958.0299fdf0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011217092958.0299fdf0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 09:33:29AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD jodie.ncptiddische.net 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE X-Machine-Uptime: 8:06PM up 13:26, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 09:33:29AM -0700, Brett Glass stood up and spoke: > > FreeBSD is in serious trouble unless it expunges ALL GPLed code from > the distribution and especially from the kernel. Well, I don't like the GPL any more than you do and I see the problems that have been described. But, at this point, I guess totally removing (and replacing) all GPL code from the *entire* distribution is impossible. Do you have, for example, any suggestions with what we should replace GCC *without* breaking anything (current FreeBSD sources, as well as our stuff in the ports collection?) I guess getting rid of all GPL stuff in the entire distribution is not neccessary - I don't see any potential threat by us shipping GCC for example (though I don't know of some GPL purist couldn't come up with a reason why just shipping GCC at some point or another puts our entire system under the GPL...). However, I think that the kernel is of more danger here, because any GPL code would have to be linked directly into it, thus potentially putting it under the GPL as a whole (just including gcc into our distribution set probably doesn't have any such implications for our system). However, generally, I would agree that we should keep especially the kernel GPL free, and in the rest of the system try to minimize GPL code as much as possible. Just my $.02 Greetings Nils -- Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message