From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 10:52:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FBB16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:52:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EE343D1D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:52:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com) Received: (from tedm@localhost) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id j1AAqLt19861 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:52:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:52:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-Id: <200502101052.j1AAqLt19861@mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: A few words about the logo change X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:52:19 -0000 Hi All, I've read through the discussion on this issue and here is my $0.02 on this. In 2000 as many of you know I got a book published titled "The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide" This book (and website) were written with the primary purpose of assisting Windows users to migrate to FreeBSD. As Open Source books it was probably moderately successful as a book, small potatos for the publisher Addison Wesley, but I was pleased enough that anyone was buying it, of course. And once again, I do thank any of you who have the book, whether begged or bought, for reading it. During the time period that the publisher and I were working on this there came a time for the cover art to be determined. I thus had a decision to make. I could use the well recognized BSD logo, Beastie, or not. And, please spare me the revisionist history about how Beastie is not a logo but a mascot, it's been a UNIX logo for around 29 years and statements made during the last few days do not change that - see http://www.lemis.com/grog/whyadaemon.html Using the logo obviously meant that there would be some people who would not buy it - as this book was aimed at WINDOWS users, not experienced BSD users, there was a high probability that most of the target market purchasers would not, in fact, recognize the UNIX daemon image. I probably considered the possibility of not using beastie for about 2 seconds. Here I am writing a book that is trying to get Windows admins to change their "eeewwww, UNIX, I don't wanna touch it" attitudes - and I am going to give in to similar concerns about using a devil image for a corporate manual? What an obnoxious hipocrite that would make me. Incidentally I will point out that FreeBSD Unleashed FreeBSD: On Open-Source OS for your PC Teach Yourself FreeBSD in 24 hours FreeBSD the Complete Reference Embedded FreeBSD Cookbook all DO NOT HAVE even a hint of an image of Beastie on their covers - so don't believe that this isn't a concern for others. So, I personally have been willing to take a personal hit to my own pocketbook on this issue - which is a damn site more than most of the whiners on the forum I think. This discussion clearly is one that should never have happened. I, more than most of the whiners I think - clearly understand the issues. I will also point out that an even more serious issue exists with having the word "Free" in the name of the operating system - as there's a strong belief in many corporate types mind that anything that is free is worthless. Consider that a corporation is a money-making operation, they do not give away their products, they feel that what they manufacture or produce has value and therefore must be paid for. If someone else is just giving away a product, it must be because it's such a bad product that they cannot get anyone to pay for it. So, once Beastie is safely hidden away in the back pages of the FreeBSD website, then what is next in the campaign to make our image more palatable to the corporate types - why not change the name? Hell, we might even be able to get Jolitz to sign over his rights to 386BSD and go back to our non-controversial roots. What a good thing that would be, huh? But wait - it's got BSD in there, and we don't want our stuff associated with those marajuana-growing radicals in the University of Berkeley, so let's drop the BSD part and just call it 386. Since the court ruled numbers are not trademarkable, that's safe. Except that 386 is associated with that old CPU of Intel's, so let's drop the 38 and just call it 6. But, horrors, if we then have 3 computers running it, we have 666 and oh God help us, we are right back to the Lord of Darkness again!!! The members of the FreeBSD core that support this idea are heading in the direction of making some politically correct image the flagship logo of FreeBSD, (or of 666 or whatever the sanitized name of the OS will eventually be) and telling the rest of us "well you can use the devil logo if you want to, we aren't stopping you from doing it. Here's a bone we will throw you, we will call Beastie a "mascot" that should make you happy. I submit that they have it on their heads. Rather than us changing, why don't the people with the problem simply stop using beastie in their OWN marketing materials to their hyper-sensitive customers, and find some sanitized image they can be happy with. Maybe even a picture of John Ashcroft's head - I hear he's available these days, maybe he will pose for you. When Hormel stops using the word "spam" for their canned ham, then you can go argue that we ought to put beastie out to the back 40. But it is high time that the people whining about this issue understand that you cannot please all of the people all of the time. The fairy tail university that doesen't want to use FreeBSD because they are afraid of getting sued by the image, won't be happy until beastie is purged from -every scrap- of anything in FreeBSD. And if you really honestly think that they solely made the decision based on that, you are very naieve. I've been in these kinds of decisions and if something like this ever did happen, the real truth is most likely that the devil logo was used a convenient excuse not to use FreeBSD. It's like your date who tells you she doesen't want to go out with you again because she still has feelings for her old boyfriend - it's a cowardly way of telling you they don't like you, and they want to hide the real reason for it from you, because it's most likely a bullshit reason they are embarassed about. IN closing I will end with this final warning. This issue is really the tip of the blade that comes in to carve your guts out. Clearly, the users in the userbase that care about this one way or another are mostly against it, if the list postings are any guage. What they want is if a logo is required, it needs to be visibly related to Beastie. If FreeBSD ends up with a sanitized logo, then it means that the core team wants to head down the same corporate path as Linux, and what we know of FreeBSD now isn't going to exist at that time. I do hope that whatever we get in return will be half as good as what we have now, and that at that time we aren't going to be saying "shit fuck, we really screwed this one up" FreeBSD already has suffered from 1 setback against Linux at a critical time, due to that USL lawsuit. It can't really afford another. Ted Mittelstaedt Author, The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide