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Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Subject: Re: buildkernel failure because ctfconvert not installed From: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <89524.1586501879@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 09:41:11 -0600 Cc: Yuri Pankov , =?utf-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= , Gary Jennejohn , current@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200408083204.4a2d6dbc@ernst.home> <814e8e7d-68e6-bead-481b-21c5552583c4@FreeBSD.org> <20200409093346.1aec1bba@ernst.home> <20200409105626.386b0ba5@ernst.home> <9f03fb79-a0ad-3c11-9a50-bc7731882da9@fastmail.com> <89524.1586501879@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4933NX0dqKz4dTX X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=samsco.org header.s=fm3 header.b=gac7fWW/; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=13lGTrOf; 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even = if=20 >> they would be set to "FALSE" or "NO". The presence of an option=20 >> causes it to be honored by make(1). >=20 > That is not even close to POLA-compliance... >=20 > Obviously negative values ("false", "no") should either be reported as > errors or preferably be respected. >=20 > PS: [This is not the bikeshed you are looking for] >=20 I remember being slightly astonished by the current behavior in the = early/mid 2000=E2=80=99s. Then I learned, adapted, and got over it. Change happens, often for the = best. Being stuck in the past doesn=E2=80=99t help, and neither does Rodney=E2=80=99s action of = berating, belittling, and gaslighting people who don't agree with him. POLA is a good mental check to help guide decisions, but it=E2=80=99s = not set in stone. Nothing should be set in stone, we should all be willing and able to evaluate = circumstances and make new decisions. Being robotic and set in stone is an excuse for = being lazy and/or egotistical. Scott