From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 13:27:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE9016A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:27:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8847D43D54 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:27:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 11270 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Nov 2004 13:27:36 -0000 Received: from pD9E24053.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO lofi.dyndns.org) (217.226.64.83) by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 14:27:36 +0100 X-Authenticated: #443188 Received: from [192.168.8.4] (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAFDRTpa013917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:27:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Message-ID: <4198AEC1.3020307@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:27:29 +0100 From: Michael Nottebrock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de-de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Fawcett References: <200411151151.33028.freebsd@redesjm.local> <200411151357.33691.lauri@kde.org> <200411151500.31461.andy@athame.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200411151500.31461.andy@athame.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new cc: Lauri Watts cc: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org cc: kde-freebsd@freebsd.kde.org Subject: Re: [kde-freebsd] X related scripts in Xclients ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:27:38 -0000 Andy Fawcett wrote: >>Will you be providing all the user support for this stuff? Will >>running kdm the normal way still be supported? How is doing this >>easier than changing one simple line in ttys? > > > I'm in complete agreement with Lauri on this one. I fail to see where > the improvement is, and if anything it makes things worse because of > POLA. > > For me, I don't want to see such a change. I think it would be wise to first take a look (and a testdrive) of Jose's work before roundabout dismissing it. As the author of the kdm-stuff in the current kdebase port, I'm aware of the flaws it has and how support-intensive it has been - Jose's doing work on this in order to _work_ with this, so the support-question is indeed interesting here. Also, gdm has been launched from an rc-script for quite some time now, hence the POLA question isn't so clear cut - and depending on how Jose's implementation actually looks like, users might never have to 'upgrade' to the rc-script way if they choose not to. So, please, let's be open-minded here (it's kind of weird that I of all people have to write this, since I've been the ever-sceptic about this whole topic before). Thanks, -- ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org