From owner-freebsd-security Thu Feb 4 06:55:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25275 for freebsd-security-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:55:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host07.rwsystems.net (kasie.rwsystems.net [209.197.192.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25260 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:55:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@RWSystems.net) Received: from kasie.rwsystems.net([209.197.192.103]) (1548 bytes) by host07.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:45:19 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-24) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:44:58 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Sheldon Hearn cc: Chris Larsen , security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Enabling bpf device in kernel (was: Re: tcpdump) In-Reply-To: <54990.918124425@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: [ ... ] > I think that we'll find this issue easy to resolve by focusing on those > two questions. Specifically, I think the focus should be on _who_ we are > trying to serve best, the cluefull or the lame. While I understand your point, it smacks of elitism. Many of the admins clue-level started at the lame-level hacking on their own machine. Some got appointed by mgmt when they had plenty 'o clue in another area and someone good was needed *fast* to do admin stuff. (Some self-appoint and get what they deserve. 8{) As I've said, I'm for adding, but I count on our audiance to grow up with us - especially if they read the lists and a doc or two. Adding BPF isn't like putting the RedHat CD on my Multia and seeing it install NFS and portmap by default. Ulgh! (And leaving some of NFS alive when you turn it off in the GUI. Bad dog, no biscut!) It did install well, though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message