From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 7 03:42:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F3616A4CE; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 03:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CA543D5A; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 03:42:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 340ED530A; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:42:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id E50CB5308; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:42:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 7E4FC33C9A; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:42:32 +0100 (CET) To: Paul Robinson References: <79B4EAB03B5E4649A740A8C1452F606435AF1B@y6001a.umb.corp.umb.com> <3FFAF1D4.4000709@iconoplex.co.uk> <3FFB4499.3050301@iconoplex.co.uk> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:42:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3FFB4499.3050301@iconoplex.co.uk> (Paul Robinson's message of "Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:28:25 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.60 cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:42:49 -0000 Paul Robinson writes: > If 5.3, when it arrives, is genuinely production ready, trust me, the > drinks are on me - I will do my absolute best to get to the next > BSDcon and get everybody drunk on an expense account. If it isn't, > well, I'll just have to whisper "I told you so" quietly somewhere. I am currently working for an ISP whose infrastructure is based 75% on FreeBSD 5.1. The remaining 25% are a nameserver running 4.7, a mail server and a backup server running 5.2, and a BGP router running a month-old -CURRENT. I am about to start in a new job at a company that builds a high- performance network security appliance based on FreeBSD. The version they travel around with to show off to potential customers runs on -STABLE; the development version runs on -CURRENT. I asked them what it was like to develop on -CURRENT compared to -STABLE. Their answer: "a relief". Now tell me again why you think FreeBSD 5 is a disaster, and why you think we're out of touch with our users and admins. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no