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Subject: Re: install on {Net,Open}BSD vs install on FreeBSD
To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes)
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> > Do SunOS machines still count as "reasonably BSD based?" :-)
> 
> No, not for version >3.5, since that was when Sun decided to merge
> SunOS and SYSV.

HUH??!

I think what you MEANT to say was that Sun decided to provide some
SysV compatibility stuff around version 4.0.  I run 4.1, 4.1.1U1, 4.1.3,
and maybe a few other variants all after 3.5 and I have a hard time 
seeing any basis for saying that it is a merged BSD/SYSV.

Sun actually went SYSV(-ish) sometime after SunOS 4.1.3.  The stench was
initially so bad that they ultimately released 4.1.4 as an irate customer
pacification.  If SunOS had indeed truly merged BSD and SYSV during all 
the years of 4.0-4.1.3, I doubt that we would have seen YEARS of delay 
between the last "usable" SunOS (4.1.3) released sometime in 1992 and the 
first "usable" Solaris (5.4) released sometime in 1995 (IIRC, which I may 
not).  That was one damn bumpy transition - and even 5.4 did not perform
at what I would consider a comparable level to 4.1.3.

Now, internally SunOS had changed quite a bit over time, even before 4.0.
With the addition of things such as the unified VM/buffer cache, NFS, NIS,
etc., etc., it became substantially different than the UCB CSRG releases.  
However, FreeBSD has diverged in a similar fashion and I submit that SunOS
clearly presented itself as a BSD system and hid the SYSV compatibility 
crud in a dark dusty closet known as /usr/5{bin,include,lib}.

> > jkh@wc-> uname -a
> > SunOS wc.cdrom. 4.1.4 2 sun4c
> 
> How about a ``which install'' here?  Perchance did you get /usr/5bin/install?

(brasil.jgreco.p2-2) 8:55am ~ 52521 > uname -a
SunOS brasil 4.1.3 3 sun4c
(brasil.jgreco.p2-2) 8:55am ~ 52522 > which install
/bin/install
(brasil.jgreco.p2-2) 8:55am ~ 52523 > ls -ld /bin/install /bin/ls
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root        10744 Jul 23  1992 /bin/install
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root        13352 Jul 23  1992 /bin/ls
(brasil.jgreco.p2-2) 8:55am ~ 52524 > 

I do not see a "/usr/5bin/install" but I grant that this is 4.1.3, not 4.1.4
that I am looking at.

Anyways...  :-) :-) :-)  just for good measure.

... JG