From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 16 22:06:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E55316A421 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-67.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-67.bluehost.com [69.89.21.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D976913C465 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 1051 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 2007 22:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2007 22:06:06 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IhuYA-0007pO-KT for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:06:06 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l9GM6c3w018387 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l9GM6c06018386 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:06:37 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Advocacy Message-ID: <20071016220637.GA18315@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Advocacy References: <200710162138.l9GLcr8M014244@satan.anjos.strangled.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200710162138.l9GLcr8M014244@satan.anjos.strangled.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: BSDstats Statistics for Sept, 2007 ... 12 769 Hosts Reported In X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:06:08 -0000 On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:38:53PM +0100, Miguel Lopes Santos Ramos wrote: > > On the other hand, I'm also not too keen on ports which require user > intervention on install, because of batch installs and upgrades. > Maybe that is not so crucial to a port like bsdstats, but still, wouldn't it > just be better to let the user go add bsdstats_enable to rc.conf? > > I mean, we all have to do it for such basic things such as xdm or linux > compatibility. If every FreeBSD user is "required" to do such configuration > changes for those basic ports, why not for bsdstats? Actually, I think a good solution for purposes batch installs and other situations where you want to minimize user interaction might be to insert a commented line in rc.conf. Of course, I imagine someone will disagree that scattering commented lines all over rc.conf is a good idea. Another option that might make sense would be to provide a post-install informational file that collects information related to post installation options for all ports/packages when they're added to the system (not just when added to ports). Such a resource would also help people learn something about ports they're installing for the first time, or changes to the ports. On the other hand, it might require a little more work on the part of port maintainers. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] MacUser, Nov. 1990: "There comes a time in the history of any project when it becomes necessary to shoot the engineers and begin production."