From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 15 00:17:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4563A37B401 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318D443F85 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from emerger.yogotech.com (emerger.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06921; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by emerger.yogotech.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) id h3F7HlMJ008985; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16027.45590.416463.96985@emerger.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:17:42 -0600 To: In-Reply-To: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D73788F@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> References: <0DD8055E0FECF744B5FF8053F80C4A2D73788F@l07.oase.research.kpn.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Java FreeBSD Alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nate Williams List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:17:51 -0000 > Casually, i read your message to freeBSD-java, as i am not suscribed > to that mailing list (i should be, i know....) I am one of the ones that > got Compaq's Java2 for Linux running under FreeBSD-Alpha. > > First, some caveats. > > It is slow. Compaq's JIT will not work under FreeBSD, and it seemed > to me that the effort needed to make it run was not worth it (see below) Slow is an understatement. My 486/66 was about an order of magnitude faster than the native Compaq JVM on my 500Mhz Alpha Miata. I understand that with a decent JIT the same box could run as fast as a PIII-200. :) > Installation is painfull, you'r most likely going to need an Alpha > running linux for a while. Naw, it runs out of the box, no need for Linux. > I'm rather dissapointed on the quality of Compaq's J2SDK for Linux, > the memory footprint is LARGE!. Running under native Linux, i was unable > to run the VolanoMark Benchmark with the native JIT, even with 1 GB of > ram (and it ran painfully slow with the classic VM). Wow, I'm surprised. Our application which is *way* bigger than the Volano stuff didn't use nearly that much memory. However, it was so slow that maybe it was because I never really pushed it hard, and did simple verification tests with it. > 2. How to proceed (From my own archives) > 2.1 You'll probably want to get a newer lesstif ... > 2.2 I can send you prebuilt libraries to spare yourself step D) if > you lack a Linux-Alpha machine (or just for convenience) I had everything running on the Alpha that was originally provided to the FreeBSD/Java team for doing the Java port, but due to lack of interest the box sat completely idle for years and has since been put out to pasture. BTW, thanks got to Andrew Gallatin who helped make the Linuxulator changes so that it would work, albeit slowly. Contacts at DEC/Compaq were met with interest, but there was little techical help forthcoming. IMO, the Alpha platform is dead as far as Java is concerned. It's a great architecture, but it's really not worth throwing resources toward something that will never outperform a PC that you can buy for $300 new. Nate