From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 19 22:15:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45BF16A401 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luke@foolishgames.com) Received: from mail.foolishgames.com (mail.foolishgames.com [206.222.28.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037A843D69 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:15:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from luke@foolishgames.com) Received: from [10.80.140.193] (pix245-188.pix.wmich.edu [141.218.245.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.foolishgames.com (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3JMFA6a038489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:15:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from luke@foolishgames.com) Message-Id: <8CA9391D-6364-4C23-B68B-A2D6CAD383B4@foolishgames.com> X-Habeas-Swe-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Habeas-Swe-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:15:04 -0400 X-Habeas-Swe-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this From: Lucas Holt X-Habeas-Swe-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-Swe-2: brightly anticipated In-Reply-To: <44467C60.8090708@centtech.com> References: <32575854.2582371145467129800.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> <20060419173315.GD24534@wjv.com> <44467C60.8090708@centtech.com> To: Eric Anderson X-Habeas-Swe-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Habeas-Swe-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed X-Habeas-Swe-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-Swe-9: mark in spam to . X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.1/1409/Wed Apr 19 17:02:41 2006 on mail.foolishgames.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:15:30 -0000 On Apr 19, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Eric Anderson wrote: > > Ok - first, let me remind everyone that this is for startup/ > shutdown of scripts and such, not for ls and other things. I'd > also like to remind everyone that the default for the whole thing > can be OFF, so you won't even know the option exists if you don't > want to know about it. If it is on, then the default is b/w like > the current setup is, and currently no information is suppressed so > there is no loss of helpful information on boot, only additional > information (OK, FAILED, SKIP, etc). > > If someone doesn't like the colors, doesn't like the 'fancy' > bootup, then they merely have to do nothing at all. > > This is a similar feature as rc_info is, and there's no issue > there, because it's off by default. Same with the color daemon at > the boot menu. > > I think it should be off by default, until enough people demand it > on (if that happens at all), and then it should be b/w by default, > with the option to make it color. My main goal was to implement > this with as little reworking of the current system as possible, > yet still reap rewards of easy readability when the system boots. > I hate to even suggest this, but perhaps we should add a desktop vs server option when installing freebsd. It wouldn't effect packages used, but might change a few defaults such as this new fancy startup. People using terminals and such would still get their black and white startup and everyone else would get the nice color startup. Anyone using a desktop or sys admins who have video cards in their servers and never tend to debug anything would like it. I think PC-BSD and DesktopBSD show there is a demand for FreeBSD on the desktop. It might be time we acknowledge that. Adding color doesn't minimize the "power to serve." As much as I love FreeBSD, sometimes its difficult to get others to try it simply because the project is so difficult about desktop usage. People often try out a new OS on a desktop before using it on production servers. Few people just risk it like I did a few years ago. In my case, I just didn't want linux. Lucas Holt Luke@FoolishGames.com ________________________________________________________ FoolishGames.com (Jewel Fan Site) JustJournal.com (Free blogging) FoolishGames.net (Enemy Territory site)