From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 3 19:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03703 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:43:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03622 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id VAA00621; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:42:28 -0600 (CST) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id VAA05126; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:42:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980203214227.21335@mcs.net> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:42:27 -0600 From: Karl Denninger To: Julian Elischer Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, mckusick@mckusick.com Subject: Re: kirk's soft-update integration.. References: <34D7D0B0.500F9F30@whistle.com> <19980203203526.20512@mcs.net> <34D7DBB6.33590565@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <34D7DBB6.33590565@whistle.com>; from Julian Elischer on Tue, Feb 03, 1998 at 07:08:38PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" On Tue, Feb 03, 1998 at 07:08:38PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > Karl Denninger wrote: > > > > How is this a "poison pill"? > > > > I don't see the problem - FreeBSD, which is what this would go into, is > > already available in source and object form at no cost or for the reasonable > > distribution cost (if you buy a CDROM). > > > > > > the problem is not for freebsd, but ISPs and such who may be > tempted to use it to put on systems they place at custommer's premises. > > Whistle has a license, but the GENERIC system as distributed probably > couldn't have it compiled in. > > I myself am not to clear on the terms.. > maybe kirk (who is CC'd) can give a non-binding "This is what I mean" > interpretation for us? > It's to whistle's advantage to integrate these changes back some time > this > year, but it's up to each commercial user to negotiate with Kirk I > guess. Why? The source is STILL available, even in that case. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | NEW! K56Flex support on ALL modems Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost > > > > > > > the license is: > > > > > > /* > > > * Copyright 1997 Marshall Kirk McKusick. All Rights Reserved. > > > * > > > * The soft updates code is derived from the appendix of a University > > > * of Michigan technical report (Gregory R. Ganger and Yale N. Patt, > > > * "Soft Updates: A Solution to the Metadata Update Problem in File > > > * Systems", CSE-TR-254-95, August 1995). > > > * > > > * The following are the copyrights and redistribution conditions that > > > * apply to this copy of the soft update software. For a license > > > * to use, redistribute or sell the soft update software under > > > * conditions other than those described here, please contact the > > > * author at one of the following addresses: > > > * > > > * Marshall Kirk McKusick mckusick@mckusick.com > > > * 1614 Oxford Street +1-510-843-9542 > > > * Berkeley, CA 94709-1608 > > > * USA > > > * > > > * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without > > > * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions > > > * are met: > > > * > > > * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright > > > * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. > > > * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright > > > * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in > > > the > > > * documentation and/or other materials provided with the > > > distribution. > > > * 3. None of the names of McKusick, Ganger, Patt, or the University of > > > * Michigan may be used to endorse or promote products derived from > > > * this software without specific prior written permission. > > > * 4. Redistributions in any form must be accompanied by information on > > > * how to obtain complete source code for any accompanying software > > > * that uses the this software. This source code must either be > > > included > > > * in the distribution or be available for no more than the cost of > > > * distribution plus a nominal fee, and must be freely > > > redistributable > > > * under reasonable conditions. For an executable file, complete > > > * source code means the source code for all modules it contains. > > > * It does not mean source code for modules or files that typically > > > * accompany the operating system on which the executable file runs, > > > * e.g., standard library modules or system header files. > > > * > > > * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY MARSHALL KIRK MCKUSICK ``AS IS'' AND ANY > > > * EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE > > > IMPLIED > > > * WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE > > > ARE > > > * DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL MARSHALL KIRK MCKUSICK BE LIABLE FOR > > > * ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR > > > CONSEQUENTIAL > > > * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE > > > GOODS > > > * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) > > > * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, > > > STRICT > > > * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY > > > WAY > > > * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY > > > OF > > > * SUCH DAMAGE. > > > * > > > * @(#)ffs_softdep.c 9.12 (McKusick) 12/2/97 > > > */