From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Mar 2 14:32:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0C237B401 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E8C43FB1 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:32:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bts@fake.com) Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (fe5 [24.93.67.52]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h22MVdii013677; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from this.is.fake.com ([24.74.172.220]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:30:33 -0500 Received: by this.is.fake.com (Postfix, from userid 111) id 9DEA6BA06; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:32:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian T. Schellenberger" To: Cliff Sarginson , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Portupgrade -- revisited Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:32:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030302192233.GA326@willow.raggedclown.intra> <15970.24641.603055.302342@guru.mired.org> <20030302200115.GA334@willow.raggedclown.intra> In-Reply-To: <20030302200115.GA334@willow.raggedclown.intra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303021732.16807.bts@babbleon.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday 02 March 2003 03:01 pm, Cliff Sarginson wrote: | On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 01:49:21PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: | > In <20030302192233.GA326@willow.raggedclown.intra>, Cliff Sarginson typed: | > > Will the ports maintainers *please* make sure they release | > > compilable ports..especially for the big mothers like X/KDE. | > | > I'm sure they do. However, they can't test in your environment. The | > X ports built fine for me. I don't use KDE, so haven't tried to | > build that. If you send the maintainer a note with the error | > messages when you tried to build the port, they might be able to | > fix it. A generic "it didn't build" on -questions almost certainly | > means that nothing will happen. | | Ok Mike, I really do always respect your advice. | I want as much as anyone else that things *work*. | I do not mind geting my hand dirty, if it improves things. | But I think, after reflecting on it, that the ports system is in a | mess. I will see if I can be more positive about improving it. | But I am dmned if I am going to learn Ruby :) I would disgree that the ports system in general is a "mess"; indeed, I think it's about the best single thing about FreeBSD. It *is* true that upgrading is a problem but I dont' believe that this is the fault of the ports system; indeed, the real problem is that versioning on shared libraries is inadequate. And there is only so much that the ports system can do about it. As long as that problem remains, then ANY attempt to do partial upgrades can only aspire to succeed "most of the time"; it can never be reliable no matter HOW smart the ports system or portupgrade becomes. -- Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message