Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:03:38 -0400 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" <achornback@worldnet.att.net> To: <vk@vkci.com>, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: Oracle! Message-ID: <013001c138a1$5951aea0$0e00000a@tomcat> In-Reply-To: <OIEKKBEPBGBAKLOBKGLCMENGCGAA.vk@vkci.com>
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> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Victor Kane > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 3:21 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; > inquiries@windriver.com; support@windriver.com > Subject: RE: Oracle! > > You failed to explain your relation to freebsd project... > That would be nice to know. For enlightenment. Mr. Kane, as far as I can tell, all of us that are here as subscribers to the list, trying to help others and running FreeBSD ourselves... we ARE the FreeBSD Project. Some people contribute code, some do testing, some do documentation. Me, I'm thrilled to be part of this, albeit a small portion trying to help others. > You also failed to notice that Sun allows free downloads only for > non-commercial use... Should we say you've lost sight of what > motivates commercial software companies? So, here's what I'd do, since you seem to think that Sun is a better platform for running Oracle. Set up a copy of Solaris, downloaded freely, to use as a demonstration for your customer. Show them how Oracle runs on Solaris. I don't think that Sun would have a problem with you doing that (if you'd like, I can put you in contact with some folks at Sun who would be able to verify this one way or another, I don't speak for Sun and I'm not employed by them, at any rate...) > A leading DB like Oracle - if ported to BSD platform - has a huge > potential to bring wide corporate acceptance to the OS, as well as > FUNDS - to the project AND people behind it. That's for enlightenment. You seem to forget that FreeBSD already runs Oracle. Yes, FreeBSD can run the Linux version of Oracle when you use the Linux compatability in the kernel. Why isn't there a native port of Oracle to FreeBSD? I don't know... maybe I should ask Larry the next time I go play golf with him... would that help? Also, how would a port of Oracle help fund FreeBSD? Maybe there's something I'm not getting here. The OS is free to download, no cost for getting it and using it. Perhaps a native port of Oracle may increase the installed base of FreeBSD, but then you would also have more people asking for support of it. Would you care to explain this statement? I think what you're trying to do here is postulate that Oracle would be the "killer app" that brings FreeBSD to the forefront. In saying that, I'd have to ask about tunnel vision here. How many other platforms run Oracle? Why would a FreeBSD system running a native version of Oracle be so Earth shattering? Is this not similar to reinventing the wheel, except that we'd have a nice mag wheel with a nice wide, sticky Michelin attached? (subconscious note: Would Linux be considered a Firestone in this metaphorical realm?) > Begging is not in my arsenal of conduct, period. And I am not looking for > help in helping to make YOUR project successful and YOUR ass (not a rat's > one) happier. But, of course, you failed to grasp it too. You're not wanting to help the FreeBSD project, yet you're asking us to go to Oracle and have them port their software to our platform for your specific and undisclosed uses? Hmmm... > Oh, one more thing, Ted, in case you failed to notice - you are a total > jerk. This is no forum for making personal attacks. You are displaying extremely bad form. > Please feel free not to waste your time replying and do NOT send out > messages marked "on Behalf Of Victor Kane". I'll sue your ass for that, > mr. Enlightenment. Then perhaps you should call your lawyer. This is the way that messages sent to the list that are replied to are displayed. Not by anything that Ted or I have done, but by the way that the mailer is set up. While you're at it, maybe you should name the proponents of Sendmail in the suit as well, since I believe that's what FreeBSD.Org uses to distribute mail. --- Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm@toybox.placo.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 2:25 PM > To: vk@vkci.com; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; inquiries@windriver.com; > support@windriver.com > Subject: RE: Oracle! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Victor Kane > >Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:06 AM > >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; inquiries@windriver.com; > >support@windriver.com > >Subject: Oracle! > > > > > > Guys, it's a shame to see FreeBSD where it is vs. where it > >should and could be. I have to put up with surrogate like Linux when > >my client can't pay for a Sun box to run Oracle server. > > I fail to understand this when Solaris is available from Sun for free. > Go to http://www.sun.com for enlightenment. > > >It does not take > >much more then ./configure; make; to port Oracle source to FreeBSD. > >This would earn FreeBSD a huge credit in CTOs' eyes - the one it > >deserves so much. Why not talk Larry into this? He's an adventurous > >guy and will bite the thing dead after you show him the bench marks! > > > > If your looking for someone to talk Larry into it, go no further than the > mirror. > > >It hurts me seeing it stock at web servers! I am ready to pay $200 > >an hour support rates - if I have to! Just give me a reason. > > Don't waste your time telling us that - it's Oracle that you need to be > talking to. > > > It'll be still better TCO vs. Sun. It's just a shame I can't > >have it. > > It's a shame you haven't asked the people who need asking about it. > > > If the project needs a "softer" start - other vendors may be > >less cocky then Larry, Sybase, Informix - you know better than me... > >what am I talking about... > > > > I fail to understand why we - most of whom don't give a rat's ass that > Oracle isn't ported onto FreeBSD, and would certainly not pay for it - are > better candidates to explain this to Oracle than you - who do care that > Oracle > is not on FreeBSD and is also ready to pay money for it. > > I think you've lost sight of what motivates commercial software companies > like > Oracle. Please don't beg us to help you convince Oracle to port > to FreeBSD > unless you've already been talking to Oracle about it. > > > Ted Mittelstaedt > tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate > Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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