From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 3 15:41:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7BC15A66 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id XAA00959; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:52:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA80296; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:51:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199906032151.XAA80296@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: 3.2-stable, panic #12 In-Reply-To: <199906032111.OAA00202@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Jun 3, 1999 2:11:31 pm" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 23:51:05 +0200 (CEST) Cc: ahasty@mindspring.com, crossd@cs.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, schimken@cs.rpi.edu X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Matthew Dillon wrote ... > > :.. > :behavior problem with Linux : I do an ftp download in a linux box and > :periodically I see a slight pause -- VA research snap back saying that > :the problem was due to the VM / Scheduler and that they couldn't > :fix it because Linus held tight control over that section of the kernel. > : > :I would like to know who took your commit priviliges away. > : > :Amancio > > The commit privs were pulled after a roe with a core member blew up into > an electronic fist fight. It just got too much for me and I blew my top > at the guy. It could be argued that it was appropriate at the time, > though I personally would have pulled *both* people's commit privs, not > just mine, and then only for a little while. Frankly, the whole problem > could have been avoided if certain issues had been dealt with by core > years ago rather then left to fester. As with any tightly nit group, > people get used to the worst of each other's quirks and become hide bound > in their opinions and preconceptions of (supposed) outsiders. I think it > is a problem that occurs with any tightly nit group, not just the FreeBSD In my experience the group might *appear* tightly knit, but it often is not. Reason: the primary means of communication, being email, is about the most horrible way to get a emotional message across (with the possible exception of a jet fighter :/ ) that is currently in existence. Combine that with 100s of emails a day and you got all the ingredients for a flame war. The only way to solve this, it seems, is to have people actually meet face2face. I have a real life example (i4b) that got straightened out in the end after people actually _talked_ instead of typed. So, by all means try this if at all feasible. The tone of recent discussions on -hackers was acidous enough I'd say.... Just my $0.02 | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message