From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 14:20:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3397D16A417 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:20:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from FS.denninger.net (wsip-70-169-168-7.pn.at.cox.net [70.169.168.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D5843D7C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:19:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from fs.denninger.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by FS.denninger.net (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id k8CEJp8l012069 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:19:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from karl@FS.denninger.net) Received: from fs.denninger.net [127.0.0.1] by Spamblock-sys (LOCAL); Tue Sep 12 09:19:51 2006 Received: (from karl@localhost) by FS.denninger.net (8.13.6/8.13.1/Submit) id k8CEJpmw012066 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:19:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from karl) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:19:51 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: freebsd-stable Message-ID: <20060912141951.GB11713@FS.denninger.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable References: <20060909173813.GA1388@FS.denninger.net> <45065C67.6040503@cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers cheerfully broiled for supper and served with ketchup! Subject: Re: ARRRRGH! Guys, who's breaking -STABLE's GMIRROR code?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:20:03 -0000 On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:59:02AM -0400, Vivek Khera wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2006, at 3:06 AM, Bj?rn K?nig wrote: > > >-STABLE is still a development branch without guarantee of a stable > >and working operating system. -STABLE guarantees that interfaces > >remain stable. If you want reliability then jump from release to > >release. > > If you want reliability, then you need to do your own testing on your > own hardware on your own application prior to replacing your working > version with the new one. Never rely on anyone else saying "Yeah, it > will work". It will come back and bite you where you don't want to > be bit. > > The other side of this is "don't replace what works" and just leave > things as they are. That'd be nice - but in this case the reason for the replacement was that there's SERIOUS breakage in the serial drivers (at least the Rocketport ones, and perhaps more) in 6.x, which was what prompted the update. Finding a totally-unrelated thing MFCd back with zero testing was QUITE a surprise....and not something I would have tested for ANYWAY, since the commitlog for sys and this module suggested that the change made to that section of code was in fact to remove some "inappropriate" comments - not change functionality in a way that could potentially cause this sort of breakage! -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind