From owner-dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org Fri Feb 26 20:20:32 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dev-commits-src-all@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A22F54DB1A for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72a.google.com (mail-qk1-x72a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DnLcv2X5mz4qrt for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72a.google.com with SMTP id q85so10407685qke.8 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 12:20:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ZdSPJ1s5JUSGyo0hxZEdRTThiCCk/3M5sE96jkvY3qs=; b=AOtzOvgKKANBgJlTZCGwjrVrY+R+UzIB9afE1pR33USw9H+OUgD2KsvT9X7uBAkczk ZTFmiDGgNze2n3WFN6kVsCDbq46HJ7H9IDnMBKR0VqopypFx0NFKlmRtermohckDALcQ 2+ZwarWk8/meJFiYlA69I/MNjNrpjI/1+ok2GAr3CzrlfAFkgu729avir/TRJTeQ2wIy m0zNhJ+Attufz1taROcz/3h6abJiEQ2C4DgfLpI5+r5WVu1AYZCNBHCB447wRrzUw45g RA/rVLrABEsVlt5yhoQmGJhvWA+UEMhCkdUJZfs5qoDhuhWbyOKmkPQLL8vEGqUgClaP UBaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZdSPJ1s5JUSGyo0hxZEdRTThiCCk/3M5sE96jkvY3qs=; b=NSRy9K4DtH8hJl0qHzf5hITRZCQCm9Oap+LFVc3sItAd180DZa/oy++WZk8ei2TCKD 6LBhBRX8SEhyCh2LJnTG+4stAK+gufGkrqCtbxAGhgBdRuFVKQVWKBatYuDaw2hOhHiE zOwQWtl0tXzf1qK2eCEuzoWXR5UgCl80erHPjpVQc3BTbYVzDTcLNH2I8eePy+He1WnP OdxLQEgablI6XQ7T4yhlKjR3P+x0pTdiSXKa3jZFeXk23/KYmWahxW5pPNZurd1zxKiI ehCoYuXYDp99pZ+xHdiCIx5QnaXc3KwyNTfQKg5NJTBEdLHQL4ONswL7//Pz3lnKCCzv L8nw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Ox+3IQNZRYvIxJZa07b/lLHFeHKGloq9d5alU6syzRO43Hu2o E+3mXoFDI6zImIAy91LSKzTfQJv9CVFcdo46b8yDqA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx2lU7070Wxi1ri84xB/9voAZs9V1E2lIiM0S9It3OH4KYv7CPXuWtxrzpCxocYiFa2mUXvdhLNj57cLRSjZ+U= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a151:: with SMTP id k78mr4332875qke.359.1614370830382; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 12:20:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202102261420.11QEKJoX006569@slippy.cwsent.com> <202102261730.11QHUh8n031156@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <20210226173629.2sc6wlaasxjep3le@aniel.nours.eu> <20210226193542.GA89099@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20210226193542.GA89099@FreeBSD.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:20:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: git: 2a50a9de8340 - main - terminfo: add terminfo database To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: Baptiste Daroussin , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Cy Schubert , src-committers , "" , dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DnLcv2X5mz4qrt X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=AOtzOvgK; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[dev-commits-src-all]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:20:32 -0000 On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:35 PM Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 07:23:48PM +0000, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > ... > > Let me rephrase it. I won't patch ncurses terminfo as that would make > > the maintenance a huge pain. > > How disabling one single mis-feature makes it huge pain to maintain? > How big is the patch? We had been doing these things for contributed > software since our dawn times, so our users won't have to circumvent > upstream's stupidity. When did this change? > There's not a clear and compelling agreement that this is stupid. Some love it, some hate it, some conditionally do both. As has been stated, the workaround generally is a one liner: export TERMCAP="${TERM}:ti@:te@:tc=${TERM}" in your init file. Other programs have more selective workaround should you desire to disable this on some, but not all, programs. This is quite a bit less work than whatever effort it would be to hack something together, and then keep re-hacking it each time we update. > > The solution is to document how to workaround for the people who dislike > > the new behaviour. > > This is just wrong on so many different levels; I honestly don't understand > what the fuck is going on here. :-( > This is crossing the line from advocacy and discussion into hostility and attack. Please avoid that in the future. Warner