From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 06:46:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3834B16A402 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E0713C44B for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-20-82.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.20.82]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1Q6kLBt021163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:46:25 +1100 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1Q6kLQP083726; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:46:21 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m1Q6kLDw083725; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:46:21 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:46:21 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Jonathan McKeown Message-ID: <20080226064621.GA83599@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <200802232322.45288.jonathan+freebsd-hackers@hst.org.za> <20080225203341.GA4150@kobe.laptop> <47C349D9.8090504@dial.pipex.com> <200802260727.30384.jonathan+freebsd-hackers@hst.org.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200802260727.30384.jonathan+freebsd-hackers@hst.org.za> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find -lname and -ilname implemented X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:46:29 -0000 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 07:27:30AM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: >What I wasn't thrilled about, and hoped to trigger a discussion of, was th= e=20 >apparent suggestion that FreeBSD must be Linux-compatible at all costs=20 >because weight of numbers makes Linux and GNU a de-facto standard. Whilst I agree that people have stated that GNU/Linux is a de-facto standard, I don't believe that "FreeBSD must be Linux-compatible at all costs" is a logical consequence of this and don't believe anyone implying it in this thread. There _is_ a fine line between adding functionality because it's easy to do/provides useful functionality/ makes it easier to port code and turning FreeBSD into a BSD-licensed Linux. I would suggest that a general discussion of this boundary belongs in a distinct thread. >I do think that where we are having problems because Linux developers are= =20 >stuck in their bubble and don't understand the concept of portability, This is aided and abetted by the GNU embrace-and-extend philosophy. >hope) - because there will always be some differences: and after all, it w= as=20 >the GNU project that came up with autoconf, wasn't it? GNU autoconf may have an admirable objective but it fails dismally as a tool for assisting in the creation of portable software. Based on my recent experiences with a variety of common autoconf FOSS applications, I'd go so far as to say that it impedes portability. --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHw7W9/opHv/APuIcRAtJvAJ0ZeJJphoH2WsZCwtdWBeAaBZkCWgCcDAGw EXZRLtfqb3HjIA+ARP7PtIA= =bJ/5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND--