From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 3 16:14: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B873F14EB3 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 29854 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Jun 1999 23:14:03 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:14:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Face: *0^4Iw) To: Jaye Mathisen Subject: Re: Matt's Commit status (was Re: 3.2-stable, panic #12) Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Matthew Dillon , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Garance A Drosihn Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 03-Jun-99 Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > I second this. Even if it's a bit painful, somebody who has been working > diligently at this needs to be able to be make their work usable quickly. > I would guess that not too many things hinder progress, or quash desire > more than fixes to problems languishing. > > There has to be some middle ground somewhere that lets Matt get his fixes > in quickly, and still doesn't ruffle too many core feathers. > > I had the opportunity to hear some of the core side recently, and I > certainly sympathize or empathize with the issue, but nobody else has > stepped up to fix the NFS problems, and I would like to see this > opportunity capitalized on. Not knowing the FULL story from both sides, I feel it'd be inappropriate if I were to comment on it. However knowing Matt's coding abilities, having seen the eruption here a few months ago, and the past splits that IIUC were due to core problems, perhaps an oversight board (for lack of a better description) consisting of zero core people and zero committers may help to stop or solve some of these erruptions before they spill out into the public's view. Who does a coder, committer, core member, etc, have to turn to if (s)he feels (s)he's getting the shaft? Not anything aimed at you (Jordan) or David, but let's face it - you two have enough to do without having to worry about the petty crap that seeps out as well. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message