From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Mon May 11 19:56:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489922E9C80 for ; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zeising+freebsd@daemonic.se) Received: from mail.daemonic.se (mail.daemonic.se [176.58.89.161]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49LWs906Ysz41Kk; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zeising+freebsd@daemonic.se) Received: from cid.daemonic.se (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mail.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49LWs1367bz3mLm; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:56:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=daemonic.se; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-language:content-type :content-type:in-reply-to:mime-version:user-agent:date:date :message-id:from:from:references:subject:subject:received :received; s=20151023; t=1589226964; bh=nxLKxgTQ/1cwPOA4CBVn2WFh XnNtzEJWWR4YFJ+i51I=; b=SOwb2uNReBuBMqPaHpGYv2twVk7gRLvspKzGbDV+ mLCWPScZJHH07QAVzfMabFmJmOUAPjc4UUr47IiXEdwNvirFa6h4DP5y2OntfK70 k34Fypx/3Ro1pRF7rz741EABYqthYg9fyBll2f3fkRoNZHVg70mrLhZ1q09mhItS VTE= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daemonic.se Received: from mail.daemonic.se ([IPv6:::1]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256) by cid.daemonic.se (mailscanner.daemonic.se [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10587) with ESMTPS id H72UJRRh_uDK; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from garnet.daemonic.se (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:201:1a0:904e:b276:34e4]) by mail.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49LWs04wM6z3c7W; Mon, 11 May 2020 19:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: releng/11.4 branch, 11.4-BETA1 builds and 11.4-RELEASE schedule reminder To: Scott Bennett , danfe@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <20200508001129.GZ9584@FreeBSD.org> <20200511073405.GA47112@FreeBSD.org> <20200511133440.GF29030@FreeBSD.org> <20200511143350.GA72941@FreeBSD.org> <202005111941.04BJfvSf021382@sdf.org> From: Niclas Zeising Message-ID: <73c70505-edc4-b164-fb31-8831338f040c@daemonic.se> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:56:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <202005111941.04BJfvSf021382@sdf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49LWs906Ysz41Kk X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=daemonic.se header.s=20151023 header.b=SOwb2uNR; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=daemonic.se; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of zeising@daemonic.se designates 176.58.89.161 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=zeising@daemonic.se X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.69 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[daemonic.se:s=20151023]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-3.69)[ip: (-9.75), ipnet: 176.58.89.0/24(-4.88), asn: 36236(-3.80), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[daemonic.se:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[daemonic.se,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:176.58.89.0/24, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:56:15 -0000 On 2020-05-11 21:41, Scott Bennett wrote: > Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > >> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 01:34:40PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: >>> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 07:34:05AM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >>>> ... >>>> I recall Scott Bennett (CC'ed) had mentioned* on -x11 list that there >>>> were some "kernel memory management bugs that people began complaining >>>> about on the mailing lists within the first few days. Now the project >>>> is planning 11.4 without ever having fixed the bugs." > > Yes, I did. The bugs first caused problems and were noticed right > away after 11.2 was released. >>>> >>>> Just wondering if re@ is aware of that and has a course of action. >>> >>> This is the first I am personally becoming aware of this. Is there >>> a PR? >> >> I'm not aware of the one, perhaps Scott could provide more details? > > Yes, I can. Do you want them on this list? Or somewhere else? > When I looked for a PR, I couldn't find one either. I had assumed that > multiple PRs had been filed for the various problems back when 11.2 came > out, but apparently that wasn't done. My system is currently running > without xorg due to a GPU crash in gpu-firmware-kmod, combined with an > inappropriate response by drm-fbsd11.2-kmod (/boot/modules/radeonkms.ko > does a BIOS reset in an attempt to do a hard reboot), so I doubt that I > can file a PR. Another poster offered to file PRs for me in the interim, > and I sent him a description of the x11 problems, but I didn't hear back > from him. I was waiting to send descriptions of the memory management > problems until the first two x11 PRs had been filed. >> >>> It seems the correct team (graphics) is already somewhat in the loop. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> I actually doubt both of these assessments are true. The fact that I've >> seen it mentioned on the -x11@ list does not lead to them, IMHO. >> > That is correct. They afflict systems running FreeBSD 11.2 to the > present of 11. I am now running stable/11 at > > FreeBSD hellas 11.4-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 11.4-PRERELEASE #24 r360432: Tue Apr 28 18:48:15 CDT 2020 bennett@hellas:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/hellas amd64 > > and the problems are still present. Everything in 11 from 11.2 on is > unsuitable for use on a production system because it has to be rebooted > frequently in order to keep it usable. > Are the graphics team aware of what, exactly? Regards -- Niclas