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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g41sm30801805yhn.10.2012.08.20.12.57.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3X15QL4JkLz2CG68 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:57:14 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120820155714.36dfc5fd@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20120820112150.7992db5c@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlNaEb768ggv0v8oZmK9ZODv4vc3qCl8ARq2Zw2HXvfuix29AsIA8aR1EDck1lR19JIE79s Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:57:18 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 +0000 (UTC) jb articulated: > This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed > under the noble flag of "progress" to neutralize and fight opposition. Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement sounds? What are you planning on doing? Are you going to lay siege to their domains and prepare for a full frontal assault? Seriously though, I have spent years attempting to get things to work in FreeBSD with either utter or partial failure. Wireless "N" NICs were totally orphaned by FreeBSD for years. Now, reluctantly I would assume, there is some partial support. Support for "FLASH" basically sucks. Hell, there is not even a viable "Tex-Live" port, an application that I have working perfectly on a Windows machine. The list goes on and on. The only constant I have been able to determine is that the open-source community, and FreeBSD in particular, would rather play the "blame game" as opposed to correcting the problem. Everyone else is always to blame, when in reality, all that is needed to determine the true source of the problem is to look in the mirror. The answer will stare them right in the face. I no longer spend days trying to debug a problem that I did not create. My time is just way to valuable for that nonsense. I simply find an acceptable alternative and move on. I don't need to be taking more drugs to control my blood pressure. I would strongly suggest that you find alternatives that suit your needs and leave the past behind. You'll feel better and enjoy life more. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________