From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 12 11:01:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC47F1065673; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA578FC0A; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBD526.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.213.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q8CB1hQt061533; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:01:44 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q8CB1W1x095159; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:01:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8CB1JuQ025424; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:01:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201209121101.q8CB1JuQ025424@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Ian Lepore From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:55:15 MDT." <1347378915.1137.61.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:01:19 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Doug Barton Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:01:50 -0000 Ian Lepore wrote: > On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 17:44 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > A newcomer will ask the same sceptical questions of FreeBSD as of > > other UX's: "How much time must I lose on this UX before I'll > > get back to a Unix environment with tools I'm used to from other > > Unixes ?" > > > > I installed 3 different Linux last week, it was a reminder, > > how I saw them, as to how others trying FreeBSD may equally see ours, > > & decide to pass on, or stay. > > > Did each of those install cvs as part of the base system? I didn't look, (I was looking re. our ABI & acroread). > If not, then what is the point you're trying to make? Specificly: Removing CVS from src/ will be easily recoverable for commited FreeBSD users, but will degrade FreeBSD for some visitors from other Unixes & ex BSD people tentatively returning. Generaly: At the stage one tries new Unixes, if too many things are missing &/or too much trouble to learn what & how & where changed, & how to restore; Rather than lose a lot of time on docs, mail lists etc, it's easy to decide: "Probably much else changed or missing too, I'll lose too much time to revert it to a working Unix environment. Try next OS." Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.