From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 18 00:12:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15302106564A; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5448FC08; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBED47.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.237.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q8I0C8s0066843; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:12:09 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q8I0BuYL032194; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 02:11:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8I0Bcaa060336; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 02:11:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201209180011.q8I0Bcaa060336@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Zhihao Yuan From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:40:33 CDT." Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 02:11:38 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Lorenzo Cogotti , Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:12:12 -0000 > And then, a modern GUI should take care of Wifi, automount, No thanks, seperate issues. > and many > things can't be done with a single WM. That's why I said "twm is not a > modern GUI". So far, any questions? TWM is not a modern window manager, but is small & light, & comes with X11. I'm happy we each can choose window managers to replace it, or not, according to local host &/or per user criteria. Someone mentioned some boxes want no X11: To extend that list: (servers, firewalls, real time small embedded, minimised for security, machines on low speed serial connections, SLIP maybe etc), + maybe some blind people, using eg 40 char single line output devices (I've never seen one but heard of 'em), & half blind people, perhaps using ([VESA?] or twm with giant fonts (cos anything newer than twm maybe (guessing) might not tempt them so much). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.