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[73.19.52.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y14sm3539772pga.54.2019.05.09.12.16.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 May 2019 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Subject: Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively From: Enji Cooper In-Reply-To: <49cfcff55fe21d5d01df916e9f9531f1@redchan.it> Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 12:16:35 -0700 Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5AFBB386-6841-4E96-A6CB-5540BC188357@gmail.com> References: <49cfcff55fe21d5d01df916e9f9531f1@redchan.it> To: ossobserver@redchan.it X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9E21F76A4C X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Ro0dwDhT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yaneurabeya@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::441 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yaneurabeya@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.903,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.4.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.79)[ip: (1.63), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.24), asn: 15169(-2.26), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 19:16:40 -0000 > On May 9, 2019, at 11:03 AM, ossobserver@redchan.it wrote: This is the only reply I=E2=80=99m going to give to this thread that = seems like obvious troll bait. As a native English speaker who often gets into debates about = controversial issues with respect to concepts like classism, LGBTIQ = issues, race issues, etc, the argument phk@ made wasn=E2=80=99t = necessary in favor of anti-semitism from the perspective of hating = Jewish people or their culture/religion; it was more or less commentary = about policy issues with Israelis vs Palestine, apartheid, the Gaza = strip occupation and the fact that some of the Israeli people aren=E2=80=99= t acting out against the issues between both parties in an attempt to = end the conflict. With this in mind, it was a poorly worded response = which led to a slippery slope in a discussion, done on a social medium = (Twitter) that seems to get blown out of proportion really quickly = (trolls and misinterpretation abound). This kind of reasoning presented sounds a lot like cognitive dissonance = employed by the far-right in America vs individuals like Rep. Ilhan = Omar, etc, where they play the victim in order to make leftist groups = look like they tolerate hate against certain groups (in this case Jewish = people). Does that mean that the left has anti-Semites? Yes, it can = happen, regardless of one=E2=80=99s political allegiance if one is to = believe the left vs right dichotomy (which I think is largely poppycock, = meant to separate groups via tribalism, etc). However, I think a number = of people are reading between the tea leaves in this thread. Do I think phk@ and others should potentially take a step back from the = discussion and avoid digging a larger hole than has already been dug? = Yes. It=E2=80=99s not my business to make people do that though, since = I=E2=80=99m not in a leadership/policy making position. Please leave this discussion on Twitter instead of flooding these = mailing lists. Linux/OpenBSD should not be exposed to this unnecessary = drama, and FreeBSD-CURRENT is the wrong mailing list for this (try = freebsd-chat@ if you are so inclined). -Enji PS I am not representing the FreeBSD project; I am only representing my = personal opinion.=