From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 6 22:27:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F5A14EB0 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:27:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02545; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:27:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: brian@pobox.com Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Marketing FreeBSD / FreeBSD as a pr In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Aug 1999 21:52:18 PDT." <19990807045218.16894.rocketmail@web1005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:27:36 -0700 Message-ID: <2541.934003656@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > For the love of Christ - I've offered some very real and useful > things, paying real, commercial designers to help with the > packaging among. But I'm not going to be the first to say that > trying to help this group can be like pulling teeth. I'm also not going to be the first to say that many people who volunteer to "help" do so with such a loose grasp of what's involved (or how to approach the issue) that trying to actually take them up on what appears to be a nice, friendly gesture turns into far more time and hassle than just doing it yourself would have been. To use one of the aviation analogies I've recently become so fond of, I have this feeling like I've got someone in the rear seat bitching that the guy in the left seat is doing a poor job of flying the airplane and clearly needs somebody up there who knows what he's doing, despite the fact that the rear-seater has no proven flying experience, certification or otherwise any other indication that he's going to do anything more than fly the aircraft into the side of the nearest mountain. But he's loud and strident, so I should just turn over the control wheel anyway and hope for the best? I don't think so. Give me and everyone else here some indication that you actually know how to fly, and fly better, and I'll be the first to hop in the back seat and enjoy the scenery. > Take my offer and stick it with your attitude. I think I've > wasted enough time here too. And this, of course, does not do much to convince me that you're anything but another peanut-gallery partisan. Try to do better if you're actually serious about this. We've already established a track record, for better or for worse, and if you want to take this active of a role in things then understand that I and anyone else in my position would be a complete and utter fool in not demanding to see some similar kind of track-record in your case. You're not just talking about changing the color of the daemon's tennis shoes, after all, you're talking about making substantive changes to the boxed product that Walnut Creek CDROM currently ships (which you and everyone else should know about already, having hopefully looked at the freebsdmall before even entering this discussion). - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message