From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 14:42:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E882E106579D for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matheus@eternamente.info) Received: from phoenix.eternamente.info (phoenix.eternamente.info [109.169.62.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91D08FC12 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by phoenix.eternamente.info (Postfix, from userid 80) id 0BCED1CC71; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:42:42 -0300 (BRT) Received: from 187.115.177.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user matheus) by eternamente.info with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:42:42 -0300 Message-ID: <9300ce35bed957e1337107d2e5e1f70e.squirrel@eternamente.info> In-Reply-To: References: <20120427203117.GA2055@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:42:42 -0300 From: "Nenhum_de_Nos" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:42:57 -0000 On Fri, April 27, 2012 18:30, Freddie Cash wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > wrote: >> My opinion is that most important obstacle in front of FreeBSD is its >> installation structure : >> >> It is NOT possible to install and use a FreeBSD distribution directly as it >> is . >> >> In Linux distributions , when a distribution is installed , the user , NOT >> root , can use its facilities WITHOUT setting a ( large ) number of parameters >> which it is approximately ZERO . >> >> Contrary to this , when a FreeBSD is installed , an ordinary user can NOT >> use USB , CD/DVD , etc. , and even key board / mouse in X without setting >> MANY parameters in MANY files ( loder.conf , rc.conf , etc. ) . >> >> This point is a very important difficulty for the beginners and a really >> very tiring for experienced users . > > And that's a good thing. :) It forces people to learn. And it > allows people to create the system *they* need, instead of being > forced to use the system "the project" thinks everyone needs. > > We spend a good 2-3 hours customising Ubuntu Server and Debian Linux > installs to make them work they way *we* want them to, with the > software *we* want, and the configurations *we* need. Most of that > time is spent undoing all the "helpful" abstractions that > Ubuntu/Debian devs think make life simpler (and they do, *IF* you use > a GUI to manage things, but CLI users are left in the cold). Just > look at the horrible mess that is GRUB2 configuration on > Ubuntu/Debina, with shell script snippets spread through 4 different > directories. Great for GUI tools to parse and update, but a royal > pain for CLI users. that could not be more true. Ubuntu won't even ask if you want GRUB, it installs it and will replace your bootloader regardless. I hate that. this is one reason to just use ubuntu where it is alone, and won't harm no OS. FreeBSD asks, and will respect my will to choose. matheus -- We will call you Cygnus, The God of balance you shall be A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style