From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Feb 19 08:15:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5787F14E4B30; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:15:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gonzo@bluezbox.com) Received: from id.bluezbox.com (id.bluezbox.com [45.55.20.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DFA972A1B; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gonzo@bluezbox.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=id.bluezbox.com) by id.bluezbox.com with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gw0Yb-000KMf-Oz; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:15:14 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by id.bluezbox.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x1J8FBBf078284; Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gonzo@bluezbox.com) X-Authentication-Warning: id.bluezbox.com: gonzo set sender to gonzo@bluezbox.com using -f Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:15:11 -0800 From: Oleksandr Tymoshenko To: Michael Gmelin Cc: Mark Linimon , Baptiste Daroussin , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Niclas Zeising , Stefan Blachmann , FreeBSD Current , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Steve Kargl , Vladimir Kondratyev Subject: Re: What is evdev and autoloading? Message-ID: <20190219081511.GA78044@bluezbox.com> References: <201902181650.x1IGoRsZ006131@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20190218225407.GA7187@lonesome.com> <21E2EBA6-F4EE-4608-B2EA-AF731F892583@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <21E2EBA6-F4EE-4608-B2EA-AF731F892583@freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/11.1-RELEASE-p4 (amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.0 (2018-05-17) X-Spam-Level: -- X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "id.bluezbox.com", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see The administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Michael Gmelin (grembo@freebsd.org) wrote: > > > > On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. 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Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> I think one serious problem here is the summary dismissal of things > >> simply on the "5 year old" basis. > > > > IIUC the graphics changes are being forced upon FreeBSD by external > > projects (mainly Linux-based) that are making huge architectural changes > > that rely more and more on features from newer hardware. > > > > If our upstreams aren't willing to do the work to keep from violating > > POLA on older hardware, IMHO it's an awful lot to ask of our already > > thinly stretched graphics volunteers to provide it in their stead. > > > > w/rt graphics, we are at far more danger of being left further and > > further behind on modern hardware than we are at risk of losing users > > on older hardware here. > > > > Again all IMHO. > > > > disclaimer: I don't use any fancy graphics stuff, so (as the old folks > > say around here) > > I’m very happy (and grateful) that 2018 was the first year in over a decade I was able to run FreeBSD on a state of the art laptop with all the features that are essential to me working - which included decent touchpad support provided through evdev+libinput. I want to second this. evdev + libinput was the only option out of several that provided smooth multitouch experience for Xorg on my 2018 laptop I really appreciate all the efforts to make it work both on kernel and ports side. -- gonzo