From nobody Fri May 22 02:50:09 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4gM8s162K5z6ff6x for ; Fri, 22 May 2026 02:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from oneyou.mgm51.net (oneyou.mgm51.net [174.136.99.202]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "oneyou.mgm51.net", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4gM8s053n2z3Zym for ; Fri, 22 May 2026 02:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=mgm51.com header.s=mgm51.com-10 header.b=fK02B9kJ; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mgm51.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of the.lists@mgm51.com designates 174.136.99.202 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=the.lists@mgm51.com Received: from sentry.mgm51.net (sentry.mgm51.net [IPv6:2001:558:6017:e3:c493:60c6:f5f4:97a3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange x25519) (Client CN "sentry.mgm51.net", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mgm51.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4gM8rz0KZZzHh4X for ; Thu, 21 May 2026 22:50:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mgm51.com; s=mgm51.com-10; t=1779418211; bh=CIquDIfbRr8HwpycDFCo1kd9xPgbJ5wly0HW39gjjyE=; h=Date:Subject:From; b=fK02B9kJgQhIfqiUeI0s/8i6mMkidH5g/E/v0NSw/4vfTzgHhxDixSUtuuP/bZUuA 2PBgQuqDij0cjlir7i+LXmW5ewGuQrumD8DTwpNq6kAfZE4zaFQlVpOwkd2PUT/LTC 4JecF5/xQhZoVyEuA5vYuF/bFMJlSFfG9FFGbdzcJ/Y7L7a5pQgKj/jLyyLLIf1I8O 3IxGwqJctrPyyXJZ7xFSJ0mz6BSlO8vFeoF/KKCh437DHlMjB4mlZUq/s2JpVR27sV iNTHGNJ5fiNf/0gPzXVWJe5TlihqUDgmH4fdhGDyrHUFJdRa3TVuam+wdP7dj3cu1s 7+f19ZmMsnRvQ== Received: from [10.11.2.100] (bigbloat.24cl.home [10.11.2.100]) by sentry.mgm51.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4gM8ry0CLCz11LkV for ; Thu, 21 May 2026 22:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 22:50:09 -0400 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Update for 14.3 when it is out of date - not pretty From: Mike To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <48327133-A375-468B-B1FB-B87F847C9C51@gushi.org> <7313bf50-5a00-4f48-a307-af7d47cc4f58@mgm51.com> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <7313bf50-5a00-4f48-a307-af7d47cc4f58@mgm51.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[mgm51.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[mgm51.com,reject]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mgm51.com:s=mgm51.com-10]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:174.136.99.202:c]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[174.136.99.202:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mgm51.com:+] X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4gM8s053n2z3Zym On 5/21/2026 10:39 PM, Mike wrote: > On 5/21/2026 9:58 PM, Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote: >> You mean this warning? >> >> ``` >> Completing this upgrade requires removing old shared object files. >> Please rebuild all installed 3rd party software (e.g., programs >> installed from the ports tree) and then run >> '`basename $0` [options] install' again to finish installing updates. >> ``` >> >> This is sort of a bad warning because most people aren't using ports >> these days, and what it really wants you to do is: >> >> pkg upgrade > > Yeah, I agree. > > I'd nominate it for one of the worst warning messages thrown at a user > during an OS upgrade.  But that is just me. > >> >> It shouldn't say "rebuild".  It's a bug, and I'd complain, if freebsd- >> update's days weren't Very Numbered. > > While I tried not to complain, I did want to note the issue. > >> >> What's going on: >> >> Most often, binary upgrades are still compatible with the old >> releases, so (for example) sshd will start in a space where you have a >> 14.4 kernel and a 14.3 userland, but at some point, programs in /usr/ >> local/bin that were built and compiled for things in /lib and /usr/lib >> (etc) have old version numbers, so on the next reboot, those things >> won't work.  The update process leaves the "vestigial" shared >> libraries in place so things don't crash, until the third "freebsd- >> update install" at which point it rm's everything that would have been >> i n $oldversion but not $currentversion. >> >> Hope this helps, > > It did help. > > Many thanks. > > And, fwiw, I am [slowly] moving my FreeBSD servers over to use the new > package update facility. > > I do have to mention that major issues. such as this update that caused > me to re-install my server. give me a concern about a leap into a pkg- > based system update. > > But that is the future. > > > Thanks again for your reply. > > > > One comment I might add to this thread ... Make sure your disaster recover backups are available when you need them. For me, my main data server crashed and burned. But I was able to recover disaster recovery files from other secure backup locations to allow me to rebuild the server. For me it was only 10TB of data stored on that server. And everything is cool now. YMMV