From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 29 01:33:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16A5C724 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x22c.google.com (mail-yh0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4D926C1 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f10so127933yha.31 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:33:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/o6A62lObxT0XGs/uzE3DlglqYgt8PnzwlqEcILsBis=; b=j+T3pIEQ9J3tEZselni53VfsyG5zEQkSkPrc/T4+BcCfuw+DziM6fb3ZStoHqZi9CR JWBOGVVCO/tdsB3gGQUTLtbvL0BYqsdSph7xh+ywBfRn0xBOCp+BSWEoUbvwrSttu9zn kDRXCTlOFMfHgz5UoMkKWoIvLG8VOMVhNd/ZU3lQslXvmSia9y5KdqVN9uqeKAfGwBq3 SPe/zIohpRttHnh/zd3c76LmMfhSyJXMs4nZbfwnLBrUXuQ1h8NlIzRmm2McdqqpEEpV IYw8OflyScBjgC+CYBTNbl6YAKBNbsn/UP8aduGdnEhBufPmCAFJd6KZUCsjlBhJTnTO uNoA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.36.12 with SMTP id 12mr8052933yke.57.1414546423880; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.118.21 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:33:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20141028213526.Horde.WmTRslgo-hNbim44HjeQAA6@webmail.df.eu> References: <20141025204536.GD19066@dft-labs.eu> <201410281321.31986.jhb@freebsd.org> <20141028213526.Horde.WmTRslgo-hNbim44HjeQAA6@webmail.df.eu> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:33:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: junior kernel tasks From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: freebsd-current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:33:45 -0000 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Marcus von Appen wrote: > > Quoting John Baldwin : > > On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:45:36 pm Mateusz Guzik wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> In short, nice kernel tasks people with C language skills can do in few >>> evenings. >>> >>> https://wiki.freebsd.org/JuniorJobs >>> >>> It is assumed you know how to obtain sources and build the kernel. >>> >>> What you can get in return: >>> - your own code in FreeBSD tree >>> - eternal glory [1] >>> - fun [2] >>> >>> If you are not interested, but know someone who does, please pass it >>> down. >>> >>> [1] - not really, no >>> [2] - well, I guess that's subjective, so that's not a "no" >>> >> >> Even though our bugmeisters have decided that we should not have wishlist >> items in our bug tracker, I really wish we could store the various idea >> lists >> (we have several) in an issue tracker instead. This would allow for >> folks to >> comment on ideas, vote for them, etc. It would also make it easier for >> more >> people to submit new ideas. >> >> > Speaking not strictly with the bugmeister hat, but from experience, please > do > not let us go down the road of (ab)using a bug tracking solution as task > and > idea management system. I think that using the tasks feature of phabricator > (our reviews instance) would provide better workflow support for those > things, > starting out from sketching out rough ideas, discussing them, breaking > them up > in seperate tasks (linked to and dependent on each other) and collaborating > on them (take a look at https://developer.blender.org/T42339 for a brief > example). > > Having said this, let's keep the bug tracker a bug tracker. > > Cheers > Marcus > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I do not know difficulty of maintaining a tracker such as "bug tracker" , a different tracker such as "development tracker" may be defined and used . In that way , ideas which are not expressible as "bug" in "bug tracker" ( because sometimes it is not possible to decide whether a problem is "bug" or a "design decision" ) may be specified in " development tracker" and be followed from there . With such a structure the improvement ideas will not be lost in individual mails . At some point an idea may be considered useless or inapplicable but over time it may become very feasible but forgotten or the same person may not mention it once more . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk