From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 14 15:10:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69A41065692 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: from mired.org (five.mired.org [66.92.153.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF2E8FC18 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 58727 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 11:08:41 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mbook.local) (192.168.195.193) by 0 with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 11:08:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:09:59 -0400 From: Mike Meyer To: Tom Evans Message-ID: <20080814110959.64102a91@mbook.local> In-Reply-To: <1218701945.70002.31.camel@localhost> References: <78cb3d3f0808120810o54f49373n69ac5076c9a9c9b7@mail.gmail.com> <200808130813.56656.jonathan+freebsd-hackers@hst.org.za> <48A29E15.5080303@unsane.co.uk> <200808131227.30125.jonathan+freebsd-hackers@hst.org.za> <20080813080032.2328a474@bhuda.mired.org> <1218646719.70002.27.camel@localhost> <20080813130612.67542bd5@mbook.local> <1218701945.70002.31.camel@localhost> Organization: Meyer Consulting X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i386-apple-darwin9.2.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:32:48 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer , Jonathan, McKeown Subject: Re: If not the force, what should I use? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:10:03 -0000 On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:19:05 +0100 Tom Evans wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 13:06 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:58:39 +0100 Tom Evans wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 08:00 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > > > > > stop If the service is to be started as specified by > > > > rc.conf(5), stop the service. This should check that the > > > > service is running and complain if it is not. If > > > > forcestop is given, ignore the rc.conf(5) check and > > > > attempt to stop. > > > > > > > Why should it complain? > > > > Because somebody quoted it out of context to justify a completely > > bogus assumption about what was and wasn't a bug. > > > > The bug in question is that the man page should note that > > force(start|stop|restart) should ignore any precmd problems as well as > > the setting in rc.conf, as that is what the tools provided by rc.subr > > do. > > > > > So the reason is 'Because'? > > Currently if you attempt to stop a service that is not started, there is > no error and no warning. I would like to know why you propose to change > that. Please don't jump down my throat. I don't - and didn't - propose changing it. I proposed correcting the wording on the man page so it reflects the reality of the 'force' prefix. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org