From owner-freebsd-virtualization@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 19:13:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0AB137F for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (bigwig.baldwin.cx [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:75::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 921691FEA for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7702BB917; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:13:52 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Aryeh Friedman Subject: Re: CFT: Very rough draft of PetiteCloud 0.2.4 (Linux as a host) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:11:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.4-CBSD-20130906; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <5330814.Xk97r20mZI@ralph.baldwin.cx> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201402071411.05413.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Fri, 07 Feb 2014 14:13:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: "freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of various virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:13:53 -0000 On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 7:55:06 pm Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:00 PM, John Baldwin wrote: > > > On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:55:13 AM Michael Dexter wrote: > > > May I suggest you take this all to a personal blog? > > > > I agree. You can use a blog on petitecloud.org if you wish, but the purpose > > of this list is discussing virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports including > > jails/vimage, hypervisors (bhyve), and accelerated guest support (e.g. Xen HVM > > and Hyper-V drivers). An occasional note about petitecloud may be warranted, > > but the current volume is excessive. Also, this list is not suitable for use > > as a support forum for a commercial product. It is certainly appropriate for > > bug reports in the aforementioned list of topics (e.g. bhyve bugs or bhyve > > performance testing results) that may come out of "downstream" bug reports. > > 2. You seem to be under the impression that PetiteCloud is a > commercial product. It is in fact 100% Free Open Source (BSD license) and > Open Knowledge. Even derivative open source projects tend to provide their own fora for bug reports, etc. (see, for example, PC-BSD and pfSense). If a bug reported in their system is the result of a bug in FreeBSD then it ends up being logged as a FreeBSD issue as well, but the latter part is what occurs on FreeBSD lists. > 4. Currently the only available place to discuss cloud computing at > all on FreeBSD is -virtualization@. A -cloud@ list might make more sense if > there was one. We would strongly urge the creation of such a list, because > we consider FreeBSD to be, without question, the best operating system for > truly stable and robust cloud computing, and we would strongly encourage > the FreeBSD Foundation to emphasize this in its advocacy. In the meantime, > please note that PetiteCloud is not yet a full-fledged cloud platform, but > currently is little more than just a front end for various hypervisors > including bhyve (our preferred hypervisor I suspect that the your posts would be just as on or off-topic on cloud@ as they would be on virtualization. I do not think we need an extra mailing list at this time. > 5.. We would appreciate clarification on what kinds of announcements > are appropriate here. For example, we've been posting calls for testing of > new versions of PetiteCloud for almost five months with no objection from > anyone (except for an early question from Michael Dexter about how truly > open-source we were) until we added support for a non-FreeBSD host. May we > continue to post CFT's that contain FreeBSD-related issues (including > making sure we didn't break anything related to our FreeBSD support when > adding features required by other OS's). I think CFTs are fine for now. However, I think you should strive to setup your own lists for support and general petitecloud-specific discussion on petitecloud.org itself. This is the model that other projects built on FreeBSD use. > b. As soon the appropriate person at the FreeBSD foundation > contacts us, we will arrange to transfer freebsd-openstack.org to the > foundation, if the FreeBSD foundation desires to be in charge of such a > portal. We do want to keep editorial control until we can put a basic > content management system in place and populate it with some initial > content. You own this domain so you are free to do with it as you wish as far as I am concerned. If you wish to work with the Foundation you can e-mail their board to discuss that further. -- John Baldwin